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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    Dean: US Won't Win in Iraq

    Saying the "idea that we're going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong," Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean predicted today that the Democratic Party will come together on a proposal to withdraw National Guard and Reserve troops immediately, and all US forces within two years.

    Dean made his comments in an interview on WOAI Radio in San Antonio.

    "I've seen this before in my life. This is the same situation we had in Vietnam. Everybody then kept saying, 'just another year, just stay the course, we'll have a victory.' Well, we didn't have a victory, and this policy cost the lives of an additional 25,000 troops because we were too stubborn to recognize what was happening."

    Dean says the Democrat position on the war is 'coalescing,' and is likely to include several proposals.

    "I think we need a strategic redeployment over a period of two years," Dean said. "Bring the 80,000 National Guard and Reserve troops home immediately. They don't belong in a conflict like this anyway. We ought to have a redeployment to Afghanistan of 20,000 troops, we don't have enough troops to do the job there and its a place where we are welcome. And we need a force in the Middle East, not in Iraq but in a friendly neighboring country to fight (terrorist leader Musab) Zarqawi, who came to Iraq after this invasion. We've got to get the target off the backs of American troops.

    Dean didn't specify which country the US forces would deploy to, but he said he would like to see the entire process completed within two years. He said the Democrat proposal is not a 'withdrawal,' but rather a 'strategic redeployment' of U.S. forces.

    "The White House wants us to have a permanent commitment to Iraq. This is an Iraqi problem. President Bush got rid of Saddam Hussein and that was a great thing, but that could have been done in a very different way. But now that we're there we need to figure out how to leave. 80% of Iraqis want us to leave, and it's their country."

    Dean also compared the controversy over pre-war intelligence to the Watergate scandal which brought down Richard Nixon's presidency in 1974.

    "What we see today is very much like what was going in Watergate," Dean said. "It turns out there is a lot of good evidence that President Bush did not tell the truth when he was asking Congress for the power to go to war. The President said last week that Congress saw the same intelligence that he did in making the decision to go to war, and that is flat out wrong. The President withheld some intelligence from the Senate Intelligence Committee. He withheld the report from the CIA that in fact there was no evidence of weapons of mass destruction (in Iraq), that they did not have a nuclear program. They (the White House) selectively gave intelligence to the United States Senate and the United States Congress and got them to give the go ahead to attack these people."

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  • DrMaddVibe
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6659

    #2
    So positive and full of hope. I hope all of the troops serving over there read what he has to say.
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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49136

      #3
      Truth hurts...

      they should be pissed at BUSH, and many are...

      Especially when he lies about "IRAQIs being out front," when in fact they are led by US troops embedded or by Marines and Soldiers that are actually out front...

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58754

        #4
        Looks like he's agreeing that Murtha's plan is the best existing solution. I don't see what the problem is.
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        • Wayne L.

          #5
          Crazy Howard is one of the most overrated & nauseating politicians around when it comes to whining liberal Democrats & will cause them to lose in 06 & 08 against Republicans because of his INSANE rhetoric.

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          • Guitar Shark
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 7576

            #6
            Why the thumbs down, BBB?

            I may not agree with Dean all the time, but this time his arguments seem to make sense.

            I also like the fact that the Democrats are apparently on the verge of actually presenting a PLAN. Finally.
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            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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            • Warham
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Mar 2004
              • 14589

              #7
              We already know what their plan is: bail out at the first possible moment.

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              • Wayne L.

                #8
                If you think Dean makes sense with his rhetoric GS, you must believe Cindy Sheehan as well.

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49136

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                  Why the thumbs down, BBB?

                  I may not agree with Dean all the time, but this time his arguments seem to make sense.

                  I also like the fact that the Democrats are apparently on the verge of actually presenting a PLAN. Finally.
                  Awe c'mon. didn't you see WAYNE L.'s post?

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                  • Guitar Shark
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 7576

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    Awe c'mon. didn't you see WAYNE L.'s post?
                    Yes, I was truly blown away by his logic. I need to reconsider my whole life philosophy.
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                    Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                    Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58754

                      #11
                      Wayne just wants to sniff Cindy Sheehan's feet. Especially after she's been standing outside Chimpy's pig farm for a week.
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                      • Warham
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 14589

                        #12
                        I'm gonna be sick..

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          Originally posted by FORD
                          I don't see what the problem is.
                          You don't see much of anything...

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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 44120

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                            I also like the fact that the Democrats are apparently on the verge of actually presenting a PLAN. Finally.
                            You actually believe that ??

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                            • Cathedral
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6620

                              #15
                              Originally posted by FORD
                              Looks like he's agreeing that Murtha's plan is the best existing solution. I don't see what the problem is.
                              "the idea that we're going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong" - Howard Dean

                              You don't see the problem, eh?

                              Bro, even if the above statement were 100% true, saying that is a slap in the face to every soldier wearing a uniform and fighting right now.
                              I don't wanna hear talking points designed to take away from the very real and true impact words like this coming from someone in power has on a soldier. i hope it generates more of what if has already brought the Democrats who live by this idea that freedom of speech removes any accountability for the things they say to the people.

                              You reap what you sow, buddy, and the Democrats have one hell of a harvest coming when the troops finally do come home.
                              The problem with the Liberal minded is that they confuse cawardice with patriotism, and then only get mad when this is pointed out to them.
                              Tough shit, Howard Dean will not be able to spin out of those comments, and i don't give a flying fuck how anyone tries to down play it.
                              That was a very bad choice of words for the good doctor, AGAIN!

                              Y'all just want so hard to lay a failure at the feet of Bush that you are killing morale among the troops, while i might add putting their loved one's here at home through hell in the process, by denegrating what the troops have done there in the last 3 years.
                              You're DEAD to the idea that anything good is happening there, but it will not work for you, election day "06 is fast approaching and i feel a vibe, or wave as it were about to turn your boat over.

                              Like the Titanic, by turning away from the iceburg they sealed their fate and steered their destiny to an icey - watery grave.
                              But had they hit it head on the damage would have been confined to the front of the ship and the threat of uneven flooding minimalized, therefore buying more than enough time for rescue to arrive before the ship even came close to sinking.

                              Democrats are trying like hell to steer away from fear, but that is what is "plain wrong", my friends.
                              Face it now, (which as you can see hasn't been a cakewalk, and your, um, support, if that is what you still call it, of the troops hasn't helped)
                              Or face it later when the job is tougher and no chance at Victory exists at all.

                              You all forget that terrorism was already millions strong before 9-11.
                              I guess in your mind it was all the creation of the Bush administration?

                              That reminds me of a joke...What happens when a Democrat takes Viagra?
                              He get's taller...

                              Pull your fucking heads out of the clouds and get a wiff of reality already. the idea that we are going to WIN the war in Iraq is the ONLY option, or the world will be screwed.
                              Giving any terror cell the impression of victory to celebrate will be deadly to all free nations in the future, so stop helping them.

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