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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    Israel Takes A Stupid Pill

    Israel Takes A Stupid Pill

    By Larry Johnson

    Apparently not content to let the U.S. do a self-immolation act in the Middle East by itself, Israel decided to set itself on fire by invading Lebanon. Burn baby burn?

    Like George Bush, Israel's Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, never served in a combat unit and launched military operations without thinking the matter through. In fact, Olmert reportedly never even served in the military. I raise this because there is one simple question Israel cannot answer about the current operations--what is their strategic military objective. Olmert has somehow persuaded the Israeli military to ignore strategy, think tactically, and in the process become really stupid. The events in the next several weeks will expose as myth the canard that you can secure a nation by killing terrorists.

    No you can't.

    Killing "terrorists" has a place in policy but it is not a strategic military obective. It is a tactical objective and may serve political purposes, but achieves little in terms of securing Israel. Israel is attacking targets in Lebanon like a drunken sailor in a bar fight. Flailing about, causing significant damage, hitting innocent bystanders, and generally making a mess of things. This is not the Israeli military that pulled off the brilliant and daring raid at Entebbe.

    What about Hamas and Hezbollah?

    They are not terrorists. They carry out terrorist attacks, but they are not terrorists. They are something far more dangerous. They are fully functioning political, social, religious, and military organizations that use terrorism tactics, but they are far more formidible than terrorist groups like Al Qaeda or the Basque Terrorist Organization. They do have the resources and the personnel to project force, sustain operations, and cannot be easily defeated. Unlike the Egyptian and Syrian armies in 1973, Hamas and Hezbollah will not easily fold and cannot be defeated in a seven day war. If that is the assumption among some Israeli military planners it is a crazy fantasy.

    While most folks in the United States buy into the Hollywood storyline of poor little Israel fighting for it's survival against big, bad Muslims, the reality unfolding on our TV screens shows something else. Exodus, starring Paul Newman, is ancient history. Hamas and Hezbollah attacked military targets--kidnapping soldiers on military patrols may be an act of war and a provocation, but it is not terrorism. (And yes, Hezbollah and Hamas have carried out terrorist attacks in the past against Israeli civilians. I'm not ignoring those acts, I condemn them, but we need to understand what the dynamics are right now.) Israel is not attacking the individuals who hit their soldiers. Israel is engaged in mass punishment.

    How did Israel respond? They bombed civilian targets and civilian infrastructure and have killed many civilians. Let's see if I have this right. The Arab "terrorists" attack military units, destroy at least one tank, and are therefore terrorists. Israel retaliates by launching aerial, naval, and artillery bombardments of civilian areas and they are engaging in self-defense. If we are unable to recognize the hypocrisy of this construct then we ourselves are so enveloped by propaganda and emotion that, like the Israelis, Hezbollah, and Hamas, we can't think rationally. We can only think in terms of tribalism and revenge.

    Iran, meanwhile, is sitting in the catbird's seat. They have a well-trained and highly competent surrogate force in Hezbollah. Hezbollah's successful attack on Friday on an Israeli naval vessel is a reminder that Hezbollah is not a bunch of crazy kids carrying RPGs and wearing flip flops. I would be willing to wager that at least one Iranian military advisor was helping Hezbollah launch the missile that hit the Israeli ship. But Iran is doing more than simply engage in tit-for-tat. They are thinking strategically.

    The events unfolding in Iraq and Lebanon are going Tehran's way. The United States is being portrayed in the world media as someone who tolerates and excuses attacks on civilian populations. The perception becomes the reality and the ability of the United States to rally support among the Russians, the Chinese, and even the French becomes more impaired. We need the international community to deal effectively with nuclear proliferation in North Korea and Iran. Now, we will be bogged down trying to defend Israel from an angry international community.

    In the past, the United States had enough credibility on both sides and kept enough of a distance during these blood fueds so that we could intervene and prevent the fighting from escalating into a gigantic war. It appears that there is no one in the Bush Administration who can step up and intervene to calm the situation. Hell, with John Bolton and Elliot Abrams leading the charge, we are Israel's enablers.

    Former Senator Fred Thompson played a U.S. Navy Admiral in the Hunt for Red October. While speaking about escalating tensions as the United States and the Soviet Union chased a renegade submarine, he said:

    "This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."

    Those words are relevant today. Let's hope and pray they don't come to pass.

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  • Redballjets88
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    • Mar 2005
    • 4454

    #2
    good for israel taking out people that hate them before they get a chance to hurt them
    R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

    hopefully God will ressurect you

    "i wont be messing with you in future.the fearsome redballjets88 for fear of you owning me some more" Axl S


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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58754

      #3
      Originally posted by Redballjets88
      good for israel taking out people that hate them before they get a chance to hurt them
      And you call yourself a Christian? :confused:
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      • Redballjets88
        Full Member Status

        • Mar 2005
        • 4454

        #4
        yeah i do, i believe people are allowed to defend themselves when they see fit, israel has been attacked from all sides many times, and lately really have turned the other cheek to it by not annihilating them all, now that the other cheek has been slapped they are doing something about it
        R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

        hopefully God will ressurect you

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58754

          #5
          How is slaughtering Lebanese civilians and destroying their infrastructure (so Haliburton can rebuild it at a sickening profit) considered self defense?

          Are you even aware of the fact that the majority of Lebanese people are CHRISTIANS, not Muslims, and most definitely, not "terraists".

          Larry Johnson spent a lot of time in the middle east as part of Poppy Bush's CIA. You should take what he says seriously.

          And you might want to read the Sermon on the Mount again too.
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          • Romeo Delight
            ROCKSTAR

            • Feb 2005
            • 5139

            #6
            It is incomprehensible that the US has let it's position of credibility in the world community to sink to a level that enables Iran and North Korea to dictate to the rest of the world. They are looking like master strategists compared to the US's bumbling, bombastic, ideological ways.
            Last edited by Romeo Delight; 07-16-2006, 03:06 AM.
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            • Redballjets88
              Full Member Status

              • Mar 2005
              • 4454

              #7
              ok ford, dont give me your little liberized speech bc im sure i could find an opinion justifying mine on the other side too,

              and dont talk to me about religion either bc everyone has their one way of interprueting scripture, and i have read the sermon on the mount many times i have read the entire new testement before also i know what is there, i dont need you to tell me

              the bible also refers to israel as the holy land and its people as the chosen people

              and what did jesus do when the house of god was being blatently misused and mistreated? he went haywire and cleaned house of all the evil people there
              R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

              hopefully God will ressurect you

              "i wont be messing with you in future.the fearsome redballjets88 for fear of you owning me some more" Axl S


              " I liked Sammy Hagar " FORD

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              • Romeo Delight
                ROCKSTAR

                • Feb 2005
                • 5139

                #8
                Originally posted by Redballjets88
                yeah i do, i believe people are allowed to defend themselves when they see fit, israel has been attacked from all sides many times, and lately really have turned the other cheek to it by not annihilating them all,
                So we should praise them for not using nukes? Is that what you are saying?

                The world divided will allow these dictatorships to rise where they would not otherwise.
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                • Redballjets88
                  Full Member Status

                  • Mar 2005
                  • 4454

                  #9
                  did i say use nukes? no there are plenty of other ways an advanced country like isael could annihilate those shitholes
                  R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

                  hopefully God will ressurect you

                  "i wont be messing with you in future.the fearsome redballjets88 for fear of you owning me some more" Axl S


                  " I liked Sammy Hagar " FORD

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                  • Romeo Delight
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Feb 2005
                    • 5139

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Redballjets88

                    and what did jesus do when the house of god was being blatently misused and mistreated? he went haywire and cleaned house of all the evil people there

                    Yikes:eek:

                    How are you any different from the "shitholes" you want to "annihiliate"?

                    I'm building a fortress of solitude in the mountains.
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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58754

                      #11
                      Jesus trashed the Temple because the Pharisees (the Likud party's ancestors) were blaspheming his dad's name and using religion to make money just like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and John Hagee do these days.

                      The arrogance of Israel is NOT excused by God Almighty. That is why God will bring Russia and the Muslims against them eventually. But I'm sick of MY country being dragged down with this insanity. The United States of America should have NEVER accepted neocon fascist doctrine and the generation of Jews who died at the hands of Adolf Hitler's murderous rampage are turning cartwheels in their graves at the thought of their OWN FUCKING DESCENDANTS building walls and slaughtering people who they consider "inferior".
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                      • bueno bob
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                        • Jul 2004
                        • 22830

                        #12
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        Jesus trashed the Temple because the Pharisees (the Likud party's ancestors) were blaspheming his dad's name and using religion to make money just like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and John Hagee do these days.

                        The arrogance of Israel is NOT excused by God Almighty. That is why God will bring Russia and the Muslims against them eventually. But I'm sick of MY country being dragged down with this insanity. The United States of America should have NEVER accepted neocon fascist doctrine and the generation of Jews who died at the hands of Adolf Hitler's murderous rampage are turning cartwheels in their graves at the thought of their OWN FUCKING DESCENDANTS building walls and slaughtering people who they consider "inferior".
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                        • RuzDNailz
                          Foot Soldier
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 655

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Redballjets88
                          good for israel taking out people that hate them before they get a chance to hurt them
                          It's a sad war because Israel is always in the hot seat because they are not allowed to defend themselves. It's horrible seeing all this bombing because a ceasefire is possible. Palestine was given the Gaza Strip but that's not enough. They want the entire country for themselves. It's hard to live surrounded by your enemies. You show some strength and a lot of the world starts hating you. These soldiers have families who are worried for them. All these arab countries have to do is release them and start negotiating peace. When an arab gets wounded in Israel, they get the best treatment despite the ongoing war between them. Can't say the same for the other side.

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58754

                            #14
                            Originally posted by RuzDNailz
                            It's a sad war because Israel is always in the hot seat because they are not allowed to defend themselves. It's horrible seeing all this bombing because a ceasefire is possible. Palestine was given the Gaza Strip but that's not enough. They want the entire country for themselves. It's hard to live surrounded by your enemies. You show some strength and a lot of the world starts hating you. These soldiers have families who are worried for them. All these arab countries have to do is release them and start negotiating peace. When an arab gets wounded in Israel, they get the best treatment despite the ongoing war between them. Can't say the same for the other side.
                            It's about a reasonable response. A couple soldiers get kidnapped? No problem, you send in a small special ops team and get them out. The IDF should be certainly capable of that, and if they aren't, Mossad definitely is. You don't bomb the living shit out of Lebanon and deliberately target civilians there or in Gaza. That's nothing but cold blooded murder. And as I said before, it's not far from what Hitler did to the Jews.
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                            • Nickdfresh
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                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49136

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Redballjets88
                              good for israel taking out people that hate them before they get a chance to hurt them
                              Yeah, like Lebanese women and children, children that will grow up to hate Israel and to support Hezbollah...

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