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  • LoungeMachine
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    Reverand Ted Cured of Gayness in 3 Weeks

    Evangelist's therapy fuels 'gay debate'

    By Ed Stoddard Feb 9, 2007, 19:52 GMT


    DALLAS - Reports that disgraced U.S. evangelical leader Ted Haggard, felled last year in a gay sex scandal, had gone 'straight' after a few weeks of therapy may not have surprised conservative Christians who argue that sexual orientation is a choice.

    But what did surprise some who also made the switch but took years to do so was the speed of the declared transformation.

    In the eyes of many conservative U.S. Christians, homosexuality is a sinful lifestyle choice that can be reversed through prayer and counsel. Gay activists say they don't choose their sexual orientation and there is nothing sinful about it.

    'The entire underpinning of America's anti-gay industry is that homosexuality is a choice and they can never move off of that position because if they do, everything crumbles around them,' said Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

    'Haggard's people have to say it is a slip because to say otherwise is to admit that God creates gay people,' he said.

    Haggard, former senior pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, was a vocal opponent of gay marriage who resigned in November after a male prostitute went public with their sexual liaisons.

    Haggard also resigned as president of the influential National Association of Evangelicals. He admitted to unspecified 'sexual immorality' after his resignation.

    After undergoing three weeks of therapy, Haggard emerged convinced that he was not gay, the Rev. Tim Ralph, one of the ex-preacher's spiritual overseers, was quoted as telling the Denver Post newspaper.

    'He is completely heterosexual. That is something he discovered. It was the acting-out situations where things took place. It wasn't a constant thing,' Ralph said.

    Several of the more liberal Christian churches in the United States have few or no issues with homosexuality. Others such as the Episcopalians are sharply divided on the topic.

    But many conservative evangelical Protestants stridently oppose homosexuality and have come out in force to vote for state bans on same-sex marriage.

    Since they see homosexuality as a sinful choice, gays have -- in their view -- the option of electing a different path.

    LONG PATH

    Religiously motivated men who say they have made the journey from gay to straight say it is a long one.

    'I do know that a three-week journey is not something reflected in my own life ... It took me three years to change my personal orientation,' said Randy Thomas, executive vice president of Exodus International, which seeks to turn gays onto the 'straight path' through Biblical inspiration.

    Other religiously motivated activists who have taken the same route agreed it took years.

    'I would say that a transition would take five to eight years -- I came out of a gay lifestyle and it was a long process,' said Frank Worthen of New Hope Ministries outside San Francisco, which also is devoted to turning gay men straight.

    James Dobson, chairman of the influential conservative advocacy group Focus on the Family which has strong evangelical ties, said shortly after Haggard's resignation that it could take a long time to 'restore' him.

    '... this could take four or five years,' he said on CNN's Larry King Live, explaining why he did not have time to be on Haggard's 'restoration panel.'

    If the reports this week are true, Haggard 'restored' himself in a fraction of that time.

    (c) Reuters 2007.
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  • FORD
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    • Jan 2004
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    #2
    Did anybody else see Boston Legal last week?

    Funny that episode just happened to air at the same time Pastor Ted proclaimed himself "cured" of homosexuality.

    Ted's gonna be caught with another gay hooker faster than you can say "Jimmy Swaggart".
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    • hideyoursheep
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      • Jan 2007
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      #3
      Hmmm.........I think I need more evidence before I can belive a cure for homosexuality exists.....

      I wonder if the "Queer Eye" guys would agree to a 3 week treatment?

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      • Hardrock69
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        #4
        Man if you sent him a book of homo pictures, he would soon be in a closet somewhere jacking off furiously!!!

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        • ELVIS
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          #5
          Is that what you do ??

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          • FORD
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            #6
            Elvis, do you (as a medical professional) actually believe that homosexuality is something that can be "cured"?
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            • ELVIS
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              #7
              Originally posted by FORD
              Elvis, do you (as a medical professional) actually believe that homosexuality is something that can be "cured"?

              I dunno...

              From a Christian standpoint, yes, but not necessarily "cured" but it can be overcome just as a believer can overcome drugs, alcohol, or any other temptation...

              I've seen it happen...

              But homosexuality is deeper than say a drug or alcohol problem, as the individual may truly believe he or she was born that way...

              I've always been a people watcher, and i've seen very feminine little boys and very masculine little girls, but that doesn't mean they are gay...

              It's a difficult subject and Christians just blowing it off as "choice" doesn't help matters...

              I really don't know...


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              • FORD
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                • Jan 2004
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                #8
                The thing about using the Bible as a reference for something like this is that even the most recent references are 2000 years old.

                Some supposedly "anti gay" references actually turn out to be something else.

                Sodom & Gomorrah, for example is often held up as an example of God nuking two entire cities simply because of a handful of gay guys. And that's just in Sodom. Genesis 19 never even mentions what the "Gomorahites" did to piss God off.

                But Jesus Himself tells us that the sin of Sodom was in fact something else entirely.

                From Luke chapter 10....

                8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:

                9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

                10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,

                11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

                12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.


                What JC is referring to here is hospitality, or the lack of it. The people of Sodom were very rude to the angels who came to visit Lot. The statement "Bring them out to us, so that we may know them" is often interpreted as a reference to sex, as the word "know" often is in the KJV Bible, but even if that is true, then the situation becomes attempted rape, not consensual sex. Even if angels had sexual organs (which is doubtful, since they don't reproduce) it's not likely they would consent to sex. Rape would certainly fall under inhospitality, but would have nothing to do with consensual same sex relationships.

                And of course, there is the fact that God didn't make "Thou Shalt Not Taketh It Up The Ass" part of His Top 10 list, despite the fact that several sins which are far less serious did make the list.

                Next we have the question of nature. Paul's opposition (in Romans) to homosexuality is that it causes people to act "against their nature". But Paul had no possible way of knowing that someone could be born gay, with genetic factors involved.

                So if you adjusted Paul's thoughts to include what medical science has now accepted, he would have to say that it's a sin for someone to have same sex relations IF they know themselves to be straight. But by the same token, it would also be a sin for someone to have heterosexual relations if they were gay, because it would be going against their nature.

                Which is what Ted Haggard has now deluded himself into doing.

                I've seen people try to deny who they are, and most of them have done so because of religious programming. Some unfortunately end up hating God as a result. It's all so fucking unnecessary. I just wish people would get the fuck over it and accept the reality that yes, people are born "that way" and that you can't change sexual orientation like you do a fucking pair of socks.
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                • ELVIS
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                  • Dec 2003
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                  #9
                  Well, I believe any sex outside of marriage (between a man and a woman) is sin...

                  True Christians give their lives to God and strive to do God's will pretty much 24/7...

                  That means sacrificing their old selfish ways, all of them...

                  They become dead to any willful sin and become new creatures in Christ Jesus...

                  "I have been crucified with Christ, therefore I no longer live, but Christ lives in me..."

                  Galatians 2:20


                  I don't think it's "religious programming", it's simply applying the New Testament to your life, 100%...

                  A Christian who really lives a Christian life is so far removed from their old ways that it's simply not an issue anymore. No matter what their old ways were...

                  But it's not as simple as turning on a light switch, but it is as simple as asking Jesus into your heart to be the lord of your life...

                  But it has to be REAL on the individuals part...

                  If you try to replace faith with human understanding and reason, you'll fall every time...

                  If you try to figure out God's word logically rather than accept it with your heart, you'll be in trouble...

                  God will personally reveal His word if you pray for understanding while you study it...

                  I know i'm rambling...

                  Anyway...

                  Homosexuality is very complex, but to me, the obvious place to start is "go and sin no more..."


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                  • hideyoursheep
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                    • Jan 2007
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Hardrock69
                    Man if you sent him a book of homo pictures, he would soon be in a closet somewhere jacking off furiously!!!

                    "Hi, I'm Ted, and I'm a homosexual...."


                    "HI,TED"


                    No.

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                    • FORD
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                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58785

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ELVIS
                      Well, I believe any sex outside of marriage (between a man and a woman) is sin...

                      True Christians give their lives to God and strive to do God's will pretty much 24/7...

                      That means sacrificing their old selfish ways, all of them...

                      They become dead to any willful sin and become new creatures in Christ Jesus...

                      "I have been crucified with Christ, therefore I no longer live, but Christ lives in me..."

                      Galatians 2:20


                      I don't think it's "religious programming", it's simply applying the New Testament to your life, 100%...

                      A Christian who really lives a Christian life is so far removed from their old ways that it's simply not an issue anymore. No matter what their old ways were...

                      But it's not as simple as turning on a light switch, but it is as simple as asking Jesus into your heart to be the lord of your life...

                      But it has to be REAL on the individuals part...

                      If you try to replace faith with human understanding and reason, you'll fall every time...

                      If you try to figure out God's word logically rather than accept it with your heart, you'll be in trouble...

                      God will personally reveal His word if you pray for understanding while you study it...

                      I know i'm rambling...

                      Anyway...

                      Homosexuality is very complex, but to me, the obvious place to start is "go and sin no more..."


                      There are matters of faith and then their are matters of science. You shouldn't try to mix the two.

                      A lot of religious right types like to say that homosexuals need Jesus, but they're the ones who are telling the gays that God will not accept them as they are.

                      That's just plain wrong. And with the knowledge we have now that sexual orientation is NOT a choice, it's an especially grievous sin.

                      And I'm not talking the Fred Phelps cult here. I'm talking about the typical conservative evangelical church which preaches against gays and excludes them from church. Ted Haggard's church is a prime example. The minute that his sexual orientation was revealed, they booted him from the church.

                      Not just from the leadership position, which would have been understandable, as he was committing adultery with a prostitute and snorting meth. No, they kicked him out of the church entirely, and even now that he's supposedly "cured", his own former church family is telling him he should move out of town.

                      Where's the forgiveness there? The acceptance? The love of Christ? Considering that Rod Parsley's brother took over, I doubt they have any. Those dominionist assholes don't understand the Gospels at all, or they would know what "Kingdom of God" means.
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                      • Guitar Shark
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                        • Jan 2004
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                        #12
                        Wait a minute, ELVIS is a medical professional?
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                        • FORD
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                          Wait a minute, ELVIS is a medical professional?
                          He's a nurse. You didn't know that?
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                          • Guitar Shark
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                            #14
                            I guess that means my secretary is a legal professional...
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                            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                            • FORD
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                              • Jan 2004
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                              I guess that means my secretary is a legal professional...
                              I should leave this for Elvis and/or Sarge to argue, but I don't think that's an accurate comparison.
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