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  • Nickdfresh
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    • Oct 2004
    • 49205

    Christians Protest Iraq War

    Anti-war protesters gather in D.C.
    Christian group calls Iraq war ‘offense against God’; police arrest hundreds

    The Associated Press
    Updated: 11:51 a.m. ET March 17, 2007

    WASHINGTON - Hundreds of anti-war demonstrators and supporters of the U.S. policy in Iraq shouted at each other Saturday from opposite sides of a street bordering the National Mall as protesters formed a march to the Pentagon to denounce a war entering its fifth year.

    The anti-war group carried signs saying “U.S. Out of Iraq Now,” “Stop Iraq War, No Iran War, Impeach” and “Illegal Combat.” The other side carried signs saying “Peace Through Strength,” “al-Qaida Appeasers On Parade” and “We Are At War, Liberals Root For the Enemy.”

    Police on horseback and foot separated the demonstrators, who were on opposite sides of Constitution Avenue in view of the Lincoln Memorial. Barriers also kept them apart.

    Cheryl Davis, 62, a library assistant from Celina, Ohio, endured a nine-hour overnight drive in the wake of a late-winter storm to raise her voice against the conflict that has killed more than 3,200 members of the U.S. armed forces. “I just want peace,” she said. “I just have to do my part.” She had supported the Vietnam War when her ex-husband fought in it.

    ‘I’m not sure I’m in support’
    Protesters met at the starting point of the epic 1967 march on the Pentagon, which began peacefully but turned ugly in clashes between authorities and more radical elements of the crowd. More than 600 were arrested that day. It was there that anti-war activist Abbie Hoffman led the masses in chants, with the fanciful goal of levitating the building.

    Saturday’s march was the main event in demonstrations around the country, stretching to the anniversary of the invasion Tuesday.

    Police on horses ensured anti-war protesters and counterdemonstrators stayed apart at the staging area. Several thousand people, many of them service members, rallied in support of the war. They played “The Battle Hymn of the Republic;” the anti-war crowd danced to Stevie Wonder’s “Superstition.”

    Veterans, some from the Rolling Thunder motorcycle group, lined up at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.

    “I’m not sure I’m in support of the war,” said William “Skip” Publicover of Charleston, S.C., who was a swift boat gunner in Vietnam and lost two friends whose names are etched on the memorial’s wall. “I learned in Vietnam that it’s difficult if not impossible to win the hearts and minds of the people.”

    ‘We were quite proud’
    Park Police Lt. Scott Fear said more than 200 people were arrested from a crowd of several thousand protesters who marched to the White House on Friday night after a peace service at the Washington National Cathedral. Those arrested were handcuffed, taken away on buses and fined $100 for disobeying a lawful order or crossing a police line. They had demonstrated on the sidewalk in front of the White House, where protesters are required to continue moving.

    The windows of the White House were dark, as President Bush was away for the weekend at Camp David in Maryland.

    The church service and weekend protests drew John Pattison, 29, from Portland, Ore., to his first anti-war rally. He said his opposition to the war had developed over time.

    “Quite literally on the night that shock and awe commenced, my friend and I toasted the military might of the United States,” Pattison said. “We were quite proud and thought we were doing the right thing.”

    He said the way the war had progressed and U.S. foreign policy since then had forced him to question his beliefs.

    ‘An offense against God’
    The ecumenical coalition that organized the event, Christian Peace Witness for Iraq, distributed 3,200 tickets for the service in the cathedral, with two smaller churches hosting overflow crowds. The cathedral appeared to be packed, although sleet and snow prevented some from attending.

    “This war, from a Christian point of view, is morally wrong — and was from the beginning,” the Rev. Jim Wallis, founder of Sojourners/Call to Renewal, one of the event’s sponsors, said toward the end of the service to cheers and applause. “This war is ... an offense against God.”

    In his speech, the Rev. Raphael G. Warnock, senior pastor at Atlanta’s Ebenezer Baptist Church, lashed out at Congress for being “too morally inept to intervene” to stop the war, but even more harshly against President Bush.

    “Mr. Bush, my Christian brother, we do need a surge in troops. We need a surge in the nonviolent army of the Lord,” he said. “We need a surge in conscience and a surge in activism and a surge in truth-telling.”

    Celeste Zappala of Philadelphia recounted how she learned of the death of her son, Sgt. Sherwood Baker, who served in the National Guard. When a uniformed man came to her door asking if she was Baker’s mother, she said yes.

    “‘Yes,’ and then I fell to the ground and somewhere outside of myself I heard someone screaming and screaming,” she said.

    © 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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  • Ellyllions
    Veteran
    • Mar 2006
    • 2012

    #2
    ...and Rolling Thunder rides again...

    I Love Those people!
    "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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    • hideyoursheep
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Jan 2007
      • 6351

      #3
      Re: Christians Protest Iraq War

      The religious right are waking up slowly to the fact their beliefs have been hijacked in order for W push his agenda, and that they were an afterthought.



      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
      The other side carried signs saying “Peace Through Strength,” “al-Qaida Appeasers On Parade” and “We Are At War, Liberals Root For the Enemy.”
      Dumb as Haggis' fans..Throw rocks at them, too.....

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      • BigBadBrian
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Jan 2004
        • 10625

        #4
        Re: Re: Christians Protest Iraq War

        Originally posted by hideyoursheep
        The religious right are waking up slowly to the fact their beliefs have been hijacked in order for W push his agenda, and that they were an afterthought.


        Dumb as Haggis' fans..Throw rocks at them, too.....
        Which beliefs are those?

        Abortion?

        Gay-marriage?

        Try again, boy.
        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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        • hideyoursheep
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2007
          • 6351

          #5
          Re: Re: Re: Christians Protest Iraq War

          Originally posted by BigBadBrian
          Which beliefs are those?

          Abortion?

          Gay-marriage?

          Try again, boy.
          Yes,

          ...and don't call me boy, gimp.

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58785

            #6
            So Chimpy left town again like the FUCKING GUTLESS AND NUTLESS COWARD that he is??

            Why am I not surprised?

            And Praise Jesus for the protestors!!
            Eat Us And Smile

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49205

              #7
              Re: Re: Re: Christians Protest Iraq War

              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
              Which beliefs are those?

              Abortion?

              Gay-marriage?

              Try again, boy.
              Or killing "Islamofascist" babies?

              Or having one of the highest infant mortality rates and child poverty rates in the developed world?

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              • Warham
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Mar 2004
                • 14589

                #8
                Re: Re: Re: Re: Christians Protest Iraq War

                Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                Yes,

                ...and don't call me boy, gimp.
                Keep calling him boy, Brian.

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                • Ellyllions
                  Veteran
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 2012

                  #9
                  "Christians" isn't the group I've heard was protesting.

                  AND I'm pretty pissed off that all the information coming out of the media appears to be so fucking inaccurate.

                  This blog link is a good friend of mine who was THERE in the flesh:


                  Obviously the reason the counter protestors were there initially was to protect the Vietnam War Memorial (the Wall) as last time there was a demonstration some of the memorials were vandalized. Some members of Rolling Thunder rode from MS just to be there.

                  Also, according to my friend, the "Gathering of Eagles" outnumbered the anti-war protestors by almost 2X. To add insult to injury, there were quite a few Palestinian flags being flown for the anti-war side. Now, why the hell would an American fly a Palestinian flag?
                  "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58785

                    #10
                    Every time one of these protests happens, other groups try to steal the spotlight with their own agendas.

                    That describes both the pro Palestinian crowd and the fucking ridiculous Rolling Thunder display.

                    War protestors are going to defile the Vietnam Memorial??

                    I don't think so. Those of us who oppose this insane war are trying to keep another huge black granite wall from being built next to it with another 58,000 names who died for ABSOLUTELY NO VALID REASON.

                    Let the bikers chase down the Phelps cult all they want. Leave the legitmate war protestors alone.

                    As for the rights of Palestinians, I'm all in favor of that discussion, but it's completely a seperate matter from the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, so they should stay away from that.
                    Eat Us And Smile

                    Cenk For America 2024!!

                    Justice Democrats


                    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                    • Ellyllions
                      Veteran
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 2012

                      #11
                      Rolling Thunder are more than a biker group. They're a group comprised of mostly Vietnam vets who do all kinds of civil duties across the country. They even went to New Orleans and volunteered their time in the aftermath of Katrina. They've also done a LOT to secure better funding for heathcare and benfits for veterans of all kinds.

                      They stood firm in protection of the Vietnam wall because they felt it was necessary. No need to put a judgement on that. Most of them were in Vietnam when the first protest like this took place. So, in my mind, they have more of a right than anyone to be there on the anniversary.

                      Just because they made a presence at the protest doesn't mean they were affiliated with either side. Because some were anti-war. BUT the fact that they could stand together in unison makes them better people than most of us.

                      I only WISH I could be a part of Rolling Thunder.

                      To add: there were actually rumors that the "ANSWER" group was intending to vandalize the Wall. Was it taken seriously? Well, the VA State Police had a tent set up and was making people empty their pockets before they could go through to get to the wall....so I guess somebody was taking it seriously.

                      But here you go Ford, go ahead and tell Rolling Thunder how you feel....



                      I double dog dare you.
                      Last edited by Ellyllions; 03-19-2007, 12:18 PM.
                      "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58785

                        #12
                        I'll do that right after you do some research on COINTEL Pro. That's the code name for the BCE government's infiltration of legitmate protest movements with their own operatives who make sure they are seen committing destructive and sometimes even illegal acts in order to discredit the protest movement.

                        As I said, it makes absolutely no sense that opponents of needless war would desecrate a huge black wall that reminds us of the LAST needless war, and the 58,000 Americans who died needlessly because of it.

                        Not to mention all those who have died since then, whether from cancer caused by chemical weapons, or suicide brought on by the fact that they couldn't leave behind what they had seen over there

                        One of the most infamous images of the Seattle WTO riots in 1999 was a moron in a black ski mask kicking in a Starbucks window.......with a $4 cup of coffee still in his hands!

                        Anybody who believes that guy was an actual protester should report to their local mental health clinic for a psychiatric examination. Yet that's how it was reported, as that masked BCE agent's picture was printed on newspapers world wide.

                        Legitimate protesters don't need to hide behind masks. They're proud of their actions and are trying to bring about a better world.

                        But government agents infiltrating such movements hide behind masks because they are cowards, trying to turn public opinion against those who speak their minds in the name of what is right.
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • Ellyllions
                          Veteran
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 2012

                          #13
                          COINTEL Pro?

                          You got it.

                          I'm not a big conspiracy theory person though I won't say it isn't "Possible". I can only speak about the people I know personally as I have done.

                          As far as Rolling Thunder would be concerned, it doesn't matter who it is set to touch that wall in a disrespecful manner, they'd be there to prevent it if they could.
                          "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                          • Guitar Shark
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7579

                            #14
                            Originally posted by FORD
                            I'll do that right after you do some research on COINTEL Pro. That's the code name for the BCE government's infiltration of legitmate protest movements with their own operatives who make sure they are seen committing destructive and sometimes even illegal acts in order to discredit the protest movement.

                            As I said, it makes absolutely no sense that opponents of needless war would desecrate a huge black wall that reminds us of the LAST needless war, and the 58,000 Americans who died needlessly because of it.

                            Not to mention all those who have died since then, whether from cancer caused by chemical weapons, or suicide brought on by the fact that they couldn't leave behind what they had seen over there

                            One of the most infamous images of the Seattle WTO riots in 1999 was a moron in a black ski mask kicking in a Starbucks window.......with a $4 cup of coffee still in his hands!

                            Anybody who believes that guy was an actual protester should report to their local mental health clinic for a psychiatric examination. Yet that's how it was reported, as that masked BCE agent's picture was printed on newspapers world wide.

                            Legitimate protesters don't need to hide behind masks. They're proud of their actions and are trying to bring about a better world.

                            But government agents infiltrating such movements hide behind masks because they are cowards, trying to turn public opinion against those who speak their minds in the name of what is right.
                            I'd like to do some research on this "BCE" you keep going on about. Do they have a web site?
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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58785

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                              I'd like to do some research on this "BCE" you keep going on about. Do they have a web site?
                              They have several.....

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