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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58786

    Chimpy says he will VETO gas price gouging legislation

    Will this be enough to wake up the brain-dead 28%???



    Bush Threatens Veto Of Gas Gouging Bill
    May 24, 2007

    By William L. Watts

    WASHINGTON (Dow Jones) -- President Bush is likely to veto legislation that would create hefty fines and criminal penalties for gasoline price-gouging, the White House said Wednesday.

    The threat came as the House prepared to vote on a Democratic plan aimed at battling rising gasoline prices by requiring the Federal Trade Commission to define "price gouging." The bill would create fines and criminal penalties, including jail time, for industry executives found guilty of gouging.

    The White House, in a formal statement of administration policy, said the legislation amounted to price controls that would hinder oil companies and retailers from responding to market signals, potentially worsening fuel shortages.

    "Gasoline price controls are an old -- and failed -- policy choice that will exacerbate shortages and increase fuel hoarding after natural disasters, denying fuel to people when they most need it," the White House said, adding that Bush's senior advisers would recommend a veto of the House bill or any similar legislation that makes it to his desk.

    The vote comes as lawmakers weigh a number of measures in the face of soaring gasoline prices. The House ignored a veto threat Tuesday to overwhelmingly pass legislation that would allow the Justice Department to sue members of the 11-nation Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, or OPEC, under U.S. antitrust laws.

    Democrats defended the anti-gouging package, saying it provides safeguards aimed at protecting small businesses and taking account of supply disruptions created by natural disasters and other problems.

    Republicans are "asking this congress to wait until a more perfect time ... to help the American consumer out," said Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill. "The American people are suffering right now and they are demanding this Congress take action right now. There can never be a more perfect time for this Congress to take action."

    The bill's sponsor, Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., added a provision to the bill that allows the FTC to pursue price-gouging only after the president has declared an energy emergency. A bill pending in the Senate has the same provision.

    Republicans said the addition of the provision was an effort to shore up support for the bill among oil-patch Democrats. The bill is being considered under special rules that require a two-thirds supermajority.

    (END) Dow Jones Newswires

    05-23-07 1310ET

    Copyright (c) 2007 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

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  • Guitar Shark
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7579

    #2
    What FORD has done here (add a picture unrelated to the article to make a political point) is exactly the sort of thing the Dems should do here.

    Imagine the political points they could score with voters if Bush and the Republicans in Congress vote against ANYTHING designed to reduce gas prices.

    Sadly, they'll probably screw it up somehow like they always do.
    ROTH ARMY MILITIA


    Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
    Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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    • ace diamond
      Full Member Status

      • Sep 2004
      • 3863

      #3
      ford, i have been telling people all along that bush,cheney, and bin laden are all profiteering from all of this price gouging.

      big oil put a cap on its' supply when ever demand goes up.
      this is called a "standard industry practice".

      there was enron,the bullshit power shortage out here in so cal in 01,
      from which bush and cheney profited.

      the military will never cathc bin laden, because if the military has
      executive orders to go to the right,
      bin laden is warned to go to the left.
      he will never be caught alive because 9/11 was an inside job.

      if bin laden were captured alive and came clean.........bush and cheney would make nixon and agnew look like saints when he started singing like a canary.
      Originally posted by hideyoursheep
      When Hagar speaks, I want to cut off my ears and send them to Bristol Palin.
      "It's like trying to fit a mouse fart into a sardine can with a shoe horn"-Ace Diamond

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      • Big Train
        Full Member Status

        • Apr 2004
        • 4013

        #4
        I agree with their reasoning, we are being gouged. However, the Dems as usual are attacking the problem from the wrong angle.

        If they really wanted to get to the heart of the matter, they would go through OSHA or some similar body and tighten up exactly when and how plants can go offline for "routine maintence". There is your gouging right there. You have a huge case of collusion on your hands right there, as all of them have plants which go offline right as the peak driving season starts?

        I'm a capitalist and I love my money, but c'mon now..

        However, I do wonder why the Dems are not taking this approach. Could it be more than a few of them are in Big Oil's pocket as well?

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58786

          #5
          Mary Landrieu certainly is. But then she's not really a Democrat either.
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          • studly hungwell
            Roadie
            • Feb 2007
            • 106

            #6
            Here is a dirty little secret....the DNC takes donations from 'the energy industry' too. The difference is, when the Dems recieve money it's from 'the energy industry', when pubs recieve it's from 'BIG OIL'. Same with pharmaceuticals as well.
            it are go good with pizza

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            • steve
              Sniper
              • Feb 2004
              • 841

              #7
              Peak Oil is on the way.
              Maybe it's already happened. Maybe tomorrow, maybe in 5 years, who knows exactly, but even if it's in 20 years that's pretty soon.

              In Europe folks pay 7 and 8 bucks a gallon, and it's the ONLY reason folks use less gas and are more apt to invest and use public transit there. None of this bullshit about them being so superior becasue they are more eco-friendly, etc etc. They decided long ago that because gas importing was a national security liability that they should persuade folks not to use so much.

              It's the ONLY reason they are less relient on Middle East oil than us.
              They don't even HAVE "CAFE" standards in Europe. Why? Because they don't work as a means to get folks to consume less gas, only to bankrupt car companies. Thus, GM and Ford make and sell some of the most popular and profitable small gas-thrifty cars in Europe, but cannot sell those same cars here because they would not be profitable.

              Our gas consumption rate is a threat to this nation's security.

              And we're complaining about $3 a gallon? Even at that price, the average monthly gas bill is still less than half of a person's average car payment.

              I'm fairly liberal on most things, but I don't agree with FRAUDING the American people on gas prices.

              In fact, we should begin taxing gas more and more. It's the only way we'll stop all of these future wars we're just starting to get into now.

              Demanding low gas prices now is a round-about way of justifying high military taxes and wars-pending to secure the foriegn oil fields needed to provide that cheap gas.

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              • scamper
                Commando
                • May 2005
                • 1073

                #8
                Originally posted by steve


                In fact, we should begin taxing gas more and more. It's the only way we'll stop all of these future wars we're just starting to get into now.
                You do realize that the more gas costs the more your milk and lettuce etc... costs.

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                • steve
                  Sniper
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 841

                  #9
                  Originally posted by scamper
                  You do realize that the more gas costs the more your milk and lettuce etc... costs.
                  You're right - it's gotta drive to my dinner plate and be farmed with machinery somehow.

                  But why are we in Iraq right now and not Sudan? Becasue they have oil there. Whatever good intentions went along with the invasion (and that is a whole 'nother debate), no one doubts that the catalyst for caring about Iraq or Venezuela or Iran as opposed to other dictatorships is because of their OIL - which the planet is running out of.

                  Cheap oil is nice, but from now on, we are going to be invading countries for it. Comfortable with that? We are already living it, but it will get worse unless we are willing to change out habits.

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                  • scamper
                    Commando
                    • May 2005
                    • 1073

                    #10
                    Originally posted by steve
                    it will get worse unless we are willing to change out habits.
                    I agree

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58786

                      #11
                      Steve, there's two reasons why the gas prices must be reigned in.

                      1) The effect that it has on the price of everything else, dragging the economy down.

                      2) The fact that the people who can afford these prices the least now have to work two or three jobs just to keep gas in their tanks AND food on the table. Not to mention their other bills. And this is while the greedy oil corporate bastards continue to rack up record profits every quarter, because they have LIED about the supply vs demand issue.

                      There's no shortage of oil, at least in the short term. Obviously it's NOT a renewable resource and we need to stop using the shit. But driving the American people into bankruptcy while the corporations profits exponentially increase is NOT the solution.
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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49205

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Big Train
                        ...
                        If they really wanted to get to the heart of the matter, they would go through OSHA or some similar body and tighten up exactly when and how plants can go offline for "routine maintence"....
                        Oh shit! If OSHA gets in there, we'll be paying $8.00 for all the violations they'll find...

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                        • Lqskdiver
                          Sniper
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 763

                          #13
                          Originally posted by FORD
                          Steve, there's two reasons why the gas prices must be reigned in.

                          1) The effect that it has on the price of everything else, dragging the economy down.

                          2) The fact that the people who can afford these prices the least now have to work two or three jobs just to keep gas in their tanks AND food on the table. Not to mention their other bills. And this is while the greedy oil corporate bastards continue to rack up record profits every quarter, because they have LIED about the supply vs demand issue.

                          There's no shortage of oil, at least in the short term. Obviously it's NOT a renewable resource and we need to stop using the shit. But driving the American people into bankruptcy while the corporations profits exponentially increase is NOT the solution.
                          How do you propose they "reign" in gas prices?

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49205

                            #14
                            By kicking it Beijing style and executing oil and gas executives for corruption?

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                            • Lqskdiver
                              Sniper
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 763

                              #15
                              I guess that's a start.

                              Any more bright ideas, Greenspan?

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