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6,558 terrorists & insurgents killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since January 1, 2006
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Terrorist Death Watch
Iraq Coalition Casualty Count
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6,558 terrorists & insurgents killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since January 1, 2006
Sources;
Terrorist Death Watch
Iraq Coalition Casualty Count -
So......
6,558 "terrorists" (or, more accurately, Iraqis who want an occupying army out of THEIR country)
out of 650,000 civillians.
Hey, at least 1% of the people getting killed are the "right ones".
Eternally Under the Authority of Satan
Originally posted by Sockfucker -
What's this supposed to mean, Shultz?
We're not losing?
We're winning?
We're gaining ground over there?
Where's the bar chart showing how many more "terrists" we have to kill till our guys get home from Iraq?
You getting it yet?
No?
Here's why:
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You and your kind never listen...Comment
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Hurray for body count!
Published on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
Body Count Redux
by Ivan Eland
During the Vietnam War, the U.S. military released body counts of enemy and friendly dead to the media, which reported them voraciously. Invariably, the military’s data—showing more enemy than friendly dead—was designed to give the illusion that the United States was winning the war. What the data didn’t show was more important: that a tenacious enemy fighting for its homeland would be willing to incur high casualties and outwait an opponent with a short attention span. Similarly, in Iraq, the U.S. military gleefully reports that attacks against U.S. soldiers have dropped by more than half since their peak in November of last year and that firefights between U.S. soldiers and Iraqi guerrillas in Iraqi towns have also diminished. But like the body counts in Vietnam, the American public should be wary of such rosy assessments.
The major reason that fighting between the U.S. military and the insurgents has declined is that the American forces have vacated the field of battle. However unfortunate, with a competitive election coming up this year, the White House knows that the only thing in Iraq that matters to the American public is how many U.S. soldiers are killed and wounded there. Thus, “force protection” has become the number one unstated goal in Iraq. American forces have been pulled out of Iraqi cities and towns and most security functions have been turned over to the amateurish, ill-trained and poorly equipped Iraqi security forces. This same phenomenon occurred in Bosnia in the mid-to late-nineties, when American public support for U.S. involvement in peacekeeping there was lukewarm. American soldiers were ridiculed by the peacekeeping forces of other nations for rarely coming out of their fortified bastions.
What is the result of a policy designed more to avoid a catastrophe before the election than to pacify Iraq? Answer: One of the worst weeks of violence since America’s occupation began. Last week, 125 people were killed in suicide bombings of a police station and an Iraqi Army recruiting station and a violent raid on an Iraqi police station to free prisoners. In addition, guerillas, seemingly tipped off that a VIP would be visiting, attacked the motorcade of John Abizaid, the American general in-charge of all U.S. forces in the Middle East. Most of those attacked or killed in this recent spate of attacks—save the U.S. general—were Iraqi police or military people perceived as collaborating with the American occupation.
Although U.S. officials claim that security in Iraq is improving, a confidential and little noticed report by the American occupation authority itself belies those statements and confirms the intuitive impression that attacks by insurgents are getting worse. The occupation authority’s findings, as reported by London’s Financial Times, state that “January has been the highest rate of violence since September 2003. The violence continues despite the expansion of the Iraqi security services and increased arrests by coalition forces in December and January.” The report concludes that in recent months, attacks against international and nongovernmental organizations, strikes using mortars and explosives (including roadside bombs), strikes in Baghdad and attacks that were non-life threatening have all increased substantially. Also, attacks on military targets rose faster than strikes on their civilian counterparts.
Yet the only recent public indication of underlying security problems was made by Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator of Iraq, who was forced by last week’s mayhem to admit that the indigenous security services would not be ready to guarantee public safety in time for the ostensible mid-year turn over of Iraq to the Iraqis, “I think it’s quite clear the Iraqi security forces, brave as they are, and beaten and attacked as they are, are not going to be ready by July 1.” Ideally suited for his job, Mr. Bremer has a gift for understatement.
So if the Iraqi security forces are in shambles and insurgent attacks are rising, the casual observe might ask why are the Americans pulling back to fortified garrisons outside Iraqi cities? Answer: That policy saves the lives of American soldiers while leaving the Iraqi citizenry to the wolves. Strangely, the U.S. military admits this increased risk to Iraqis. So much for the Bush administration’s high-flying rhetoric about making Iraq a better place for its citizens. If a civil war eventually breaks out—as a U.N. representative recently warned and as the occupation authority worried euphemistically in its report—Saddam Hussein’s regime could seem like the good ole’ days for Iraqis.
So although the Bush administration’s policy may be achieving its primary goal—avoiding a sharp escalation in the U.S. body count before November—the voting public should not mistakenly conclude that the United States is winning this war. A reckless Bush administration—like the Johnson and Nixon administrations during the Vietnam War—has stumbled into a war that it can neither win nor escape from gracefully.
Ivan Eland is Senior Fellow and Director of the Center on Peace & Liberty at The Independent Institute in Oakland, CA., and author of the book, 'Putting “Defense” Back into U.S. Defense Policy: Rethinking U.S. Security in the Post-Cold War World'. For further articles and studies, see the War on Terrorism and OnPower.org.
Copyright 2004 The Independent Institute
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That he is willing to lie in order to justify the occupation.Originally posted by hideyoursheep
What's this supposed to mean, Shultz?
CNN: Baghdad morgue overflowing with bodies in courtyardComment
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Look up the sources used. If you believe the # of US. casualties (same source) then you must believe the # of terrorists/insurgents.Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
That he is willing to lie in order to justify the occupation.
CNN: Baghdad morgue overflowing with bodies in courtyardComment
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The number of US casualties is also incorrect. Far more have died than what has been reported in your corporate media.
How do I know this to be true?
I'm the Devil. And I know my construction budget is exploding, keeping up with all the new "tenants" I'm getting as a result of this illegal war.
St. Peter tells me that they have similar immigration difficulties "up there" as well, but at least Heaven is capable of expanding naturally to keep up with it.Eternally Under the Authority of Satan
Originally posted by SockfuckerComment
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Plus, just cos they get labeled "terrorists" or "insurgents" doesn´t mean they are! Considering the USA´s administration´s track record for honesty and correct information, all I´ll believe is that they´re dead!Originally posted by Satan
So......
6,558 "terrorists" (or, more accurately, Iraqis who want an occupying army out of THEIR country)
out of 650,000 civillians.
Hey, at least 1% of the people getting killed are the "right ones".
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Liars seek out lies that match their own. Nice try, sociopath.Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
Look up the sources used. If you believe the # of US. casualties (same source) then you must believe the # of terrorists/insurgents.Comment
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So, you don't believe any sources regarding coalition deaths or terrorist deaths? Where does the media gets its figures that they breathlessley talk about each time US deaths hit another "grim milestone?" The same place these figures are coming from.Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
Liars seek out lies that match their own. Nice try, sociopath.Comment
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Ain't you just the smartest boy for figuring that out all by yourself.Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
So, you don't believe any sources regarding coalition deaths or terrorist deaths? Where does the media gets its figures that they breathlessley talk about each time US deaths hit another "grim milestone?" The same place these figures are coming from.Comment
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Since every Iraqi we kill pisses off another 10-20 Iraqis, I fail to see how the body count is really that great of a metric for our success. Especially considering we were there to defeat saddam's forces and liberate the Iraqi people.
Now we're supposed to be happy about how many Iraqis are killed?
Considering that these insurgents try to blend in to the population, how are we to know for sure which people that got blown to bits in an airstrike or cut to pieces with a 50mm were actually terrorists?
Sgt, your argument is spurious. It's clear that your debate prowess is suffering due to the utter failure of your president's initiatives.gnaw on itComment
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1. The insurgents and invaders are the US goverment which invades another nation just because of the petroleum.
2. Let each nation to solve their own problems!
3. USA has no legal authority to invade an independent nation just because they think is "correct".
4. Let's FINISH with the Cuban embargo! Reagan finish with the Cold war in the 80's.
5. Viva Chávez and the unification of all Latin american countries!Comment
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Originally posted by Carlosyella
1. The insurgents and invaders are the US goverment which invades another nation just because of the petroleum.
the invaders are US, british and others. The insurgents are iraqis, saudis, syrian, IRANIANS, and other a-rabs
2. Let each nation to solve their own problems!
that's fine unless their problems involve housing or enabling international terrorists
3. USA has no legal authority to invade an independent nation just because they think is "correct".
power is authority
4. Let's FINISH with the Cuban embargo! Reagan finish with the Cold war in the 80's.
no argument there
5. Viva Chávez and the unification of all Latin american countries!
so you'd approve of a socialist dictator nationalizing key industries and shutting down television stations in Puerto Rico?
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