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  • scamper
    Commando
    • May 2005
    • 1073

    I'm supposed to take money from my family to pay for this...

    Obesity may push U.S. health costs above Europe: study

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nearly twice as many U.S. adults are obese compared to European, a key factor leading Americans to suffer more often from cancer, diabetes and other chronic ailments, a study released on Tuesday found.

    Treatment of these and other chronic diseases adds between $100 billion and $150 billion to the annual health care tab in the United States, according to the report comparing U.S. and European health published online in the journal Health Affairs.

    The United States spends significantly more per capita than any European country on health care, about $2 trillion annually, or 16 percent of the gross domestic product. While the big discrepancy has been linked to higher U.S. prices for medical treatment, the report said a sicker population may also be a factor.

    "We expected to see differences between disease prevalence in the United States and Europe, but the extent of the differences is surprising," said Ken Thorpe, professor of public health at Emory University and a study co-author. "It is possible that we spend more on health care because we are, indeed, less healthy."

    A key factor in many chronic illnesses is obesity and smoking. About 33 percent of Americans are obese, compared with 17 percent in 10 European countries reviewed. More than half of Americans are former or current smokers, compared with about 43 percent in the European sample.

    While Americans appeared to be on the whole sicker than adults in other industrialized countries, the study said more aggressive preventive care could help explain the results for some illnesses.

    For example, the study found 12.2 percent of Americans are diagnosed with cancer, more than twice that of Europe. But that is likely due in part to more screening here, the study said.

  • Ellyllions
    Veteran
    • Mar 2006
    • 2012

    #2
    We shouldn't have to take money out of our pockets to pay for anyone else's healthcare. Especially when the sickness is the result of a personal choice.

    But we've all been doing it for years. Do you think that a Tylenol in the hospital really costs $4 a pill? Or the roll of toilet paper in the patient's room really costs $7?
    "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49205

      #3
      So people shouldn't be allowed to smoke?

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      • Ellyllions
        Veteran
        • Mar 2006
        • 2012

        #4
        That's personal choice. Whatever pitfalls become from personal choice should be the choosers burden to bear.

        I'm completely against government telling people what personal choices they can or cannot make.
        "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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        • LoungeMachine
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jul 2004
          • 32576

          #5
          We should also be culling the weak from the herd at a young age...

          Why pay for healthcare for people who arent going to be able to work....

          Healthcare was designed for those of us who can afford it....

          I suggest you people just don't get sick.....

          But then there's always the emergency room...


          But back to my original point, lethal injections by age 2 if your genentic makeup predisposes you to cost me money later in life...


          Originally posted by Kristy
          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
          Originally posted by cadaverdog
          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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          • Ellyllions
            Veteran
            • Mar 2006
            • 2012

            #6
            It shouldn't be a public burden Lounge.
            Greed is driving the high cost of healthcare...

            We exhault captalism and yet try to enforce socialism. The two negate each other and that's the problem.
            "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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            • LoungeMachine
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Jul 2004
              • 32576

              #7
              Originally posted by Ellyllions
              But we've all been doing it for years. Do you think that a Tylenol in the hospital really costs $4 a pill? Or the roll of toilet paper in the patient's room really costs $7?
              Parts and labor?

              yes.


              You're not paying $4 for the pill itself.

              But that's not my beef.

              My beef is that if we cut out the middle man [insurance companies] that pill would cost alot less.

              The only people who should make a profit in healthcare are the doctors, nurses, techs, and the companies risking the R&D dollars to bring us better treatment.

              There is NO NEED for billion-dollar-a-year insurance company profits.
              Originally posted by Kristy
              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
              Originally posted by cadaverdog
              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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              • Ellyllions
                Veteran
                • Mar 2006
                • 2012

                #8
                While the health insurance companies model their business practices after the Mafia, and the hospitals are allowed to price gouge and avoid tax penalties under the ruse of "non-profit"...the burden of paying for those businesses to continue to grow wealthy is placed on the public as tax responsibilty?

                Does that really only not make sense to just me?

                On some utility bills, there's a "universal connectivity" charge. Do you mean to tell me that the businesses couldn't provide service to those unable to pay for it for cheaper or even free? It would be a huge tax write-off. But no, the cost of everything is rolled right back over into the public's responsibility.

                I tell ya what, I'm a smoker. Do you think you should have to pay for my lung cancer? Honestly?
                "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                • LoungeMachine
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 32576

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Ellyllions
                  It shouldn't be a public burden Lounge.
                  Greed is driving the high cost of healthcare...

                  We exhault captalism and yet try to enforce socialism. The two negate each other and that's the problem.
                  I'm so tired of this argument.

                  We HAVE socialized medicine already.

                  WE also have socialized military, fire, police, roads and infrastructre...

                  The Insurance Lobby has so brain-washed us into thinking the birth-right healthcare is somehow communistic.

                  Just like education keeps us from having to house more prisoners at $50K a year, preventitve medicine through childhood would greatly relieve many financial "burdens" on everyone...

                  Not to mention IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

                  I can't believe we live in a country that says we'll take care of your bombs for you, but you're on your own if your kids get sick/hurt.
                  Originally posted by Kristy
                  Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                  Originally posted by cadaverdog
                  I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                  • Ellyllions
                    Veteran
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 2012

                    #10
                    Damn Lounge....we had the same argument.

                    LOL!

                    bitch
                    "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                    • Ellyllions
                      Veteran
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 2012

                      #11
                      'cept I wasn't talking about kids....I thought the subject was obesity and/or smoking illnesses.
                      "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                      • LoungeMachine
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 32576

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ellyllions

                        I tell ya what, I'm a smoker. Do you think you should have to pay for my lung cancer? Honestly?
                        Yes.

                        Because that's what we do.

                        We take care of each other.

                        We don't NOT treat the accident victim that CAUSED the accident either..


                        Well buddy, we're not going to stop the bleeding, you ran the red light.


                        It's also false economics to think we dont already pay for that.....
                        Originally posted by Kristy
                        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                        Originally posted by cadaverdog
                        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                        • LoungeMachine
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 32576

                          #13
                          SMOKES = $1.00 TAX TO GO DIRECTLY INTO A FUND FOR SMOKER'S RELATED HEALTHCARE, INCLUDING SECOND HAND.
                          Originally posted by Kristy
                          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                          Originally posted by cadaverdog
                          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                          • LoungeMachine
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 32576

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ellyllions
                            'cept I wasn't talking about kids....I thought the subject was obesity and/or smoking illnesses.
                            But you brought it into paying for others, etc....

                            We're either in this together as a country, as a people, as humans,,,,

                            or we're not.


                            I dont get to choose when the g'ment takes MY money and buys bombs to kill children with either...

                            So I'm going to take a few of your sheckles, combine it with everyone else's, and make sure that basic healthcare is a RIGHT in this country.

                            Originally posted by Kristy
                            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                            Originally posted by cadaverdog
                            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                            • Hyman Roth
                              Veteran
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 1817

                              #15
                              I really want to get into this thread - Healthcare should be universal in
                              this country no matter how we get there. How we achieve it is really
                              secondary. It can be done and expeditiously. Yes people are going
                              to have to pay - but so what! I'll pay. And you should too.

                              The situation this country finds itself in pertaining to how it cares for
                              the health of its populous is nothing short of atrocious, with how
                              many...48 million Americans counted without insurance and
                              manufacturing leaving the country? Forget about it! We are going to
                              have to share some costs and it means you and I won't be able to
                              take that trip to Tahiti next year or maybe have to take some work
                              we'd rather not do.... Tough shit.


                              The health care industry is the exemplification of how unabashed
                              greed results in the inefficiency of the market with potentially
                              catastrophic, deplorable results. It goes on a long list of issues that if
                              we don't fix, we are screwed in 50 years!
                              Trollidillo-T

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