I'm supposed to take money from my family to pay for this...

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
... Now, you've climbed up on your high horse. Saving the world's people from themselves because BlondDGirl knows best. sigh. When I WANT "help", I'll ask. Otherwise, please don't presume that I need it...

So you want US (the tax payers) to give you CPR and pump your sorry heart up when it stops beating... That's the only help you want?

That sais a lot about your laziness...

Say... how do YOU help yourself?
Ho yeah, you're probably part of that 3%...

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
... BTW, this is the Internet and unless you type exactly what you mean what is left unwriten remains...
M

Boooo....
You should learn how to read (ans understand) other than your TV guide!

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
... I'm the one who doesn't want to support other people's kids....

Yet, you want everyone's contribution to YOUR health problem and "inevitable cardiac arrest"...

Math 101;
Where do you think money will come from (if not from those kids you hate and don't want to see/help raise)?

Just so you know, money isn't growing in Maple trees and Canada isn't exactly overpopulated!

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by blonddgirl777
Canada isn't exactly overpopulated!

That's open for debate....

[blonddgirl777]

I a socialist system (as we know it), the young & healthy, middle class worker with no kids gets to pay for everyonelse!

You fit in or you don't.

In my 20's I was more of the California type but now (besides the weather), I am totaly Québec!

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
That's open for debate....

Yep, some Kanucks on this board are just one too many!

[m_dixon1984]

Lets steer this topic back on track...we've gotten a little personal here.

Blonddgirl, I have no problem with your desire to improve the CDN health care system by eliminating watse and inefficiencies, and your desire to help eliminate obesity is admirable, to a point (come down from the high-horse a little and we're cool).

The waste and the inefficiencies do not include saving the lives of the people that need it, healthy or unhealthy, by choice or not. The holes in the system that allow people (patients and doctors...anyone) to take undo advantage, they need to be filled. The huge costs of running/adminstering the system need to be looked at to eliminate waste. We need to once and for all determine whether health care falls under federal or provincial jurisdiction (so the standard of care is nationwide). Putting the money where it's needed most, with the nurses and doctors and facilities, that's what our system needs. Not a bloated adminstrative nightmare full of holes that even uneducated trailer trash can find ways to abuse it.

The idea of putting restrictions on health care because of choices people have made in life, really runs against the compasionate nature under which socialized medicine was created. The system exists as it does and it's still one of the best in the world, we just need to clean it up a bit. Having fat people, kids with cancer, etc., dying because we changed the system to eliminate some people from being included does not give us a better system. We used to abort or kill off babies and children with physical defects because we thought they offered nothing to society (not just we Canada, we the human race). We learnt our lessons from those barbaric times. There's no reason to start implementing new barbaric rules because it could save a few dollars. What a great headline this would be: "Canada Eliminates Obesity Nationwide By Not Resuscitating Dying Fatties", or "Childhood Cancer Rates Reach Record Lows Because We Just Don't Care". No thanks.

Almost time for a , maybe 2

M

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984


Lets steer this topic ...


M

Outstanding!

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by FORD
Source?

I can't give you an internet link (I haven't look for one) but I'm sure it's there somewhere...

On that documentary I was talking about (and others I saw on eating dosorders) it was stated by the American board of Medecine Doctors.

Now are they full of shit? I am not an expert to know.

One thing for sure is you look at who's coming out od Mc Donald's, what's in some people's plates at the restaurant, the grocery carts, the elevators, people waiting in their cars to park as close to the entrance as possible (not to walk) etc... and you understand that not everybody is just "big boned".

I personally can come up with many names of people that over eat (and like shit) and are way overweight! A lot of them unhappy and out of breath at a young age and few others who just say they love them ALL of them...

The ones that tell me they won't trade their Pepsi for water... THOSE are the ones I'm talking about!

[scamper]

Originally posted by blonddgirl777
not everybody is just "big boned".

good place for a joke, but I'm trying to quit

[WACF]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
Lets steer this topic back on track...we've gotten a little personal here.

Blonddgirl, I have no problem with your desire to improve the CDN health care system by eliminating watse and inefficiencies, and your desire to help eliminate obesity is admirable, to a point (come down from the high-horse a little and we're cool).

The waste and the inefficiencies do not include saving the lives of the people that need it, healthy or unhealthy, by choice or not. The holes in the system that allow people (patients and doctors...anyone) to take undo advantage, they need to be filled. The huge costs of running/adminstering the system need to be looked at to eliminate waste. We need to once and for all determine whether health care falls under federal or provincial jurisdiction (so the standard of care is nationwide). Putting the money where it's needed most, with the nurses and doctors and facilities, that's what our system needs. Not a bloated adminstrative nightmare full of holes that even uneducated trailer trash can find ways to abuse it.

The idea of putting restrictions on health care because of choices people have made in life, really runs against the compasionate nature under which socialized medicine was created. The system exists as it does and it's still one of the best in the world, we just need to clean it up a bit. Having fat people, kids with cancer, etc., dying because we changed the system to eliminate some people from being included does not give us a better system. We used to abort or kill off babies and children with physical defects because we thought they offered nothing to society (not just we Canada, we the human race). We learnt our lessons from those barbaric times. There's no reason to start implementing new barbaric rules because it could save a few dollars. What a great headline this would be: "Canada Eliminates Obesity Nationwide By Not Resuscitating Dying Fatties", or "Childhood Cancer Rates Reach Record Lows Because We Just Don't Care". No thanks.

Almost time for a , maybe 2

M

Nice points.

It is like deciding if a drunk driver crashes and hurts himself do you let him die for his bad choice of getting behind the wheel.

Should we let drug addicts kill themselves?

What about the mentaly ill?

There is a reason it is called Universal...

Universal Health Care started as a Provincial service in my Province...it was later used as a Federal template for a National program.

The fact is very few provinces can afford it without Ferderal Transfer Payments.

I can guarantee you Saskatchewan could have never maintaned it by only taxing the province's people and businesses...eventually business will leave for provinces with cheaper taxes...the story of Sk right there!

The problem is it is over administrated at a Federal Level...then once again at a Provincial level.
It is too big for Ottawa to administer a hospital elsewhere in the country...I want none of that!
The province needs to determine it's needs and then give the proper service using the Federal money.
If you fuck it up you are then judged at the polls...we have that going on here right now with nurse shortages.

Users fees should be in place for "nuisance calls".

To many goverment jobs in the way of making sure all the money goes to the health board.

It needs to be streamlined...but overall I will take it as is rather than thrown away.

[WACF]

Originally posted by scamper
good place for a joke, but I'm trying to quit

What can you do...sometimes the jokes write themselves...

[m_dixon1984]

Originally posted by blonddgirl777
Yet, you want everyone's contribution to YOUR health problem and "inevitable cardiac arrest"...

Math 101;
Where do you think money will come from (if not from those kids you hate and don't want to see/help raise)?

Just so you know, money isn't growing in Maple trees and Canada isn't exactly overpopulated!

Lets see...I have a problem with my tax dollars being spent on procreation (child tax benefit), daycare, and snack packs and because of this I have to DIE since I wouldn't stop eating junk food.


Biology 101:
The female human body does not require federal or provincial money in order to produce a baby. Of this, I'm quite sure. They may teach you differently in Quebec since they're obviously trying to increase the population with their child friendly policies.

I suspect the tax payer base will be just fine if parents have to pay for child care and school lunches, and don't receive a child benefit subsidy. I really am sick of people having kids with the expectation that the tax payer is going to help them.

In my plan nobody has to die. In yours, blonddgirl, seems to me like the obese get a free pass to the afterlife while the kids get a nice light snack.

M

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by WACF


...The province needs to determine it's needs and then give the proper service using the Federal money. ...

What if you have 50 States instead of 13(?) Provinces?

Will there be disparate treatment at the State level?

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
Lets steer this topic back on track...we've gotten a little personal here.

Blonddgirl, I have no problem with your desire to improve the CDN health care system by eliminating watse and inefficiencies, and your desire to help eliminate obesity is admirable, to a point (come down from the high-horse a little and we're cool)...

Deep inside, I am one Mother Teresa on a high horse...
I love to help others (weather they want it or not) and I am very generous by nature.

I've worked as a fashion designer all my life and I used to love it a lot. Now, I do it for the money only. I am sick of "contributing" to the fact that teenage girls (and mature women) in general are never happy with their shapes. The fashion industey is in big part, to blame.

Also, I am no queen of good nutrition either...
My problem is more of UNDER eating. I can live off coffee, nachos and cocktails. There where some days when I didn't eat at all, giving the excuse that I was too busy working. When pregnant, I saw a nutritionist and FORCED myself to eat. It felt great.

I know it's not that easy to take care of our health...