Will the Recession Doom the Last Sunday Blue Laws?

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  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    Will the Recession Doom the Last Sunday Blue Laws?

    handful of state legislatures have declared it's closing time for Sunday alcohol sales restrictions, saying an extra day of sales could give their foundering budgets a much-needed shot of revenue. Those states - Georgia, Connecticut, Texas, Alabama and Minnesota - enjoy overwhelming voter support for an extra day of sales, but face opposition from members of the Christian right, who say that selling on Sunday undermines safety and tears apart families. "During times of economic stress, our families are under enough pressure," says Jim Beck, the president of the Georgia Christian Coalition. "I don't think we need to add even more pressure to those families by passing this law."


    But proponents of Sunday sales argue that state budgets are under plenty of pressure too and that by allowing people to buy beer, wine or liquor on Sunday at grocery or package stores, states could reap millions of dollars in tax revenue. Besides, as President Roosevelt learned in the 1930s when he successfully repealed Prohibition, drinks have a way of keeping hopes high when things look bleak. In Johnathan Alter's The Defining Moment: FDR's Hundred Days and the Triumph of Hope, the President recognized that legally-procured cocktails were the way to keep spirits high when Americans were trying to get used to putting their trust into the nation's crumbling banking system again. And, it could be argued, the sales also helped stimulate the economy in the middle of the Great Depression.


    "[Sunday sales legislation] always comes bubbling up when the economy goes south," says David Laband, an Auburn University economics professor who authored Blue Laws: The History, Economics, and Politics of Sunday-Closing Laws. Blue laws, which restrict shopping of any kind on Sunday, date back to the colonial era, Laband says. However, those laws gradually died off as economic forces made some states realize that they could stand to gain by having stores open on Sunday. For example, the entry of women into the workforce in World War II made weekend shopping a necessity.


    "Slowly and systematically we've seen these laws lifted in past century, even more so when there has been an economic downturn," Laband says. "States realize that consumers will migrate to a place where they can buy what they want. And whatever their reasons are for not wanting to sell on Sunday, these states realize they're paying a price for it in foregone tax revenues. So once the economy goes bad, then the cost of their policies are apparent to them."


    Beck argues that when you're facing a budget shortfall in the billions, the extra revenue from an added day of alcohol sales is just a drop in the bucket. His opponents, however, insist it is significant. "At least it's a drop," says Georgia Senator Seth Harp, who introduced a bill proposing local referendums on Sunday sales. "Maybe it's even a cup full. But right now, I'd like to have a couple of cups full than nothing at all."


    Three states - Georgia, Connecticut and Indiana - ban the sale of beer, wine and spirits, while 15 ban only liquor sales. Connecticut is considering repealing its ban because it has been losing revenue to New York, Massachusetts and Rhode Island, three neighboring states that repealed Sunday sales bans in 2003. Texas is also reconsidering Sunday sales bans of liquor, with three bills in the state's Senate, two of them specific to sales along the Texas-Mexico border. "States are seeing Sunday sales as a positive way to raise revenue without raising taxes or cutting valuable programs," says Ben Jenkins, spokesman for the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States. "That, along with consumer demand, is driving this change."


    And though religious groups have sounded off about how Sunday sales are harmful to families, legislators such as Harp are reaching out to them by adding enforcement provisions designed to crack down on store owners who sell to minors. In a state like Georgia, where more than two-thirds of residents say they'd like to be able to buy a six pack on the sabbath, Harp's efforts may just win his bill votes, even though Governor Sonny Perdue, a teetotaler, said he'd veto any bill that came across his desk.


    But Perdue won't be in office forever and anti-Sunday sales advocates across the nation may realize the tide is turning against them too. "People have got a lot of activities that occupy their time, attention and affection on Sunday and shopping is one of them," Laband says. "Churches have had to come to grips with that; they haven't drawn a line in the sand and said 'You have to go to church.' So the trend is clear that states will do away with some of these alcohol prohibitions. It will happen. It's just a matter of when."

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    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place
  • BITEYOASS
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6531

    #2
    What a dumbass law! They'll just buy more booze on the other days of the week in order to stock up before Sunday. The Fundies have yet to further evolve.

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    • kwame k
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Feb 2008
      • 11302

      #3
      This has to be the stupidest law known to man.........just like the overwhelming success of Prohibition!
      Originally posted by vandeleur
      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58755

        #4
        In some states, it's not a matter of religious fundamentalism. You can't buy booze on Sunday in the "godless" state of Washington either. Or even after 8 PM on Saturday night.

        It's only sold in state run stores. The hard stuff, that is. Not the beer and wine, which you can get in any supermarket or convenience store.
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        • sadaist
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jul 2004
          • 11625

          #5
          I saw this on this news last night & couldn't believe some places have these laws. Reminds me of John Lithgow in Footloose. In CA they cut sales off at 2 am. That's actually screwed me a few times when we've woken up at 3 or 4 am to head out on a fishing or camping trip. Stop to fill up the gas tanks & grab a 6-pack of beer, but no luck. Doh! Dammit...can't believe we forgot! They start reselling at 6 am. If you fish, you should be on the lake before 6, not waiting to buy your beer.
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          • Angel
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 7482

            #6
            Originally posted by BITEYOASS
            What a dumbass law! They'll just buy more booze on the other days of the week in order to stock up before Sunday. The Fundies have yet to further evolve.

            Read it closer. What they want to do is END the current laws that don't allow booze on Sunday.

            I'd have no problem with that - but then again I don't drink, and pot dealers don't take days off.
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            • Redballjets88
              Full Member Status

              • Mar 2005
              • 4453

              #7
              Those laws are weird. Texas is listed in that article, but I enjoyed some sunday bought beer yesterday.
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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32555

                #8
                Who bought it for you?

                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • BITEYOASS
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 6531

                  #9
                  Make everything plant derived LEGAL! IMO

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                  • sadaist
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 11625

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BITEYOASS
                    Make everything plant derived LEGAL! IMO
                    And bring back good old CANE SUGAR in my Coca Cola for Christs sake!
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                    • kwame k
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 11302

                      #11
                      Originally posted by sadaist
                      And bring back good old CANE SUGAR in my Coca Cola for Christs sake!
                      How about putting the coke back in the cola!
                      Originally posted by vandeleur
                      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                      • Redballjets88
                        Full Member Status

                        • Mar 2005
                        • 4453

                        #12
                        Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                        Who bought it for you?


                        My buddy did. No worries Lounge I'll be of age in a about 3 months, maybe I'll send you out some Texas beer.

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                        I even provided a link. 100 year anniversary baby, its the prefered beer here. And not that light yellow shit either, all dark beer.
                        R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

                        hopefully God will ressurect you

                        "i wont be messing with you in future.the fearsome redballjets88 for fear of you owning me some more" Axl S


                        " I liked Sammy Hagar " FORD

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                        • Redballjets88
                          Full Member Status

                          • Mar 2005
                          • 4453

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sadaist
                          And bring back good old CANE SUGAR in my Coca Cola for Christs sake!
                          Ever had Dublin Dr. Pepper? It's Dr. Pepper made from cane sugar, it is damn good.
                          R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

                          hopefully God will ressurect you

                          "i wont be messing with you in future.the fearsome redballjets88 for fear of you owning me some more" Axl S


                          " I liked Sammy Hagar " FORD

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                          • twonabomber
                            formerly F A T
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 11201

                            #14
                            i'm wondering where exactly this recession is hitting. i am still seeing plenty of big-ticket items in people's carts when i'm out doing my own shopping. sure, all those plasmas and PS3's may be howmuchamonthed out the ass on a credit card, but still...
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                            • LoungeMachine
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 32555

                              #15
                              Shiner is not beer.

                              Originally posted by Kristy
                              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                              Originally posted by cadaverdog
                              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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