1.92 Million Download...?

**sadaist** · 06-23-2009, 09:19 PM

From what I understand, the record companies get much more pissed if you upload for a million people to get the song, rather than just download one copy for yourself.

But my question is, if I download say Panama, would they have a case against me? I own it on cd, cassette, and album. So I've already paid for the ownership of a copy of that song. Now I just want a quick copy on my pc. If you can prove that you've previously paid for a legal copy of the downloaded song, they wouldn't have a case. (Although I think I might have shoplifted VHII cassette).

**VH Drummer** · 06-23-2009, 10:46 PM

I think they'd ask why you couldn't have ripped the CD to your computer, but then again, haven't they claimed that too was illegal?

**Seshmeister** · 06-24-2009, 05:13 AM

The problem is its far more hassle to rip CDs you own than just download them from somewhere else.

**sadaist** · 06-24-2009, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Seshmeister

The problem is its far more hassle to rip CDs you own than just download them from somewhere else.

Honestly, when Napster first came out long ago I didn't have a cd burner or anything that would rip songs onto the hard drive. So it was easy to click a song & download it (although it took 30 minutes). Now I can rip to the hard drive fairly quickly. But not everyone has a cd burner & some of the programs to transfer to the hard drive aren't novice friendly. I can see where they don't want people to download songs, but come on...a bit overboard with this girl I think.

**Big Train** · 06-25-2009, 12:41 AM

It is illegal to rip a file you don't own. We in the music industry frown on that too. But yes, we do get more pissed about you making available a song that can be copied endlessly.

It is more of a hassle to get my wood from Home Depot than my neighbors supply, but I do it anyway.

See the other thread on this Thome, if you want more details on the case.

**bueno bob** · 06-25-2009, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by Big Train

It is more of a hassle to get my wood from Home Depot than my neighbors supply, but I do it anyway.

If my neighbor says "Help yourself man, it's free", should home depot demand I pay them damages since I didn't buy it from their store?

**standin** · 06-25-2009, 02:17 AM

Buying stolen property on Craig's list or out the back of a van is illegal and unethical.
With all that is contraband in todays world, there is no need to thieve to live outside of the law.
Hell, even real cheese and raw milk is contraband.

**bueno bob** · 06-25-2009, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by standin

Buying stolen property on Craig's list or out the back of a van is illegal and unethical.

You can buy ANYTHING from anybody privately and it can be stolen. So...buy new only from a giant retailer and that's it for purchasing, hunh? There's the spirit of American commercialism at work.

**Big Train** · 06-25-2009, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by bueno bob

If my neighbor says "Help yourself man, it's free", should home depot demand I pay them damages since I didn't buy it from their store?

Did any of the labels or artists in question say that? No they did not...

**bueno bob** · 06-26-2009, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Big Train

Did any of the labels or artists in question say that? No they did not...

As long as they album was purchased once, they would have had no right to. After it (said song) was purchased once through viable/legal means, and they made their revenue, their interest in the matter ended. What the owner of the music/wood pile does with it after that is no longer their concern.

At least that's my perspective. Using said example, if I go to Home Depot and buy a bundle of wood for whatever reason, then decide to share that wood with my neighbor who may not be of means to buy wood (for whatever reason - doesn't have a car to drive to the store, doesn't have the money, too lazy, I'm just feeling generous, whatever), do I not have a right to decide what to do with property that I've already purchased? Does Home Depot have the right to go to my neighbor and say "Well, yeah, Bob paid us for that wood, but YOU didn't! Somebody cut that wood down and has to be paid for their labor! You owe us, thief!"?

I don't think so. And I don't think there's any rationalizing it.

**Big Train** · 06-26-2009, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by bueno bob

As long as they album was purchased once, they would have had no right to. After it (said song) was purchased once through viable/legal means, and they made their revenue, their interest in the matter ended. What the owner of the music/wood pile does with it after that is no longer their concern.

At least that's my perspective. Using said example, if I go to Home Depot and buy a bundle of wood for whatever reason, then decide to share that wood with my neighbor who may not be of means to buy wood (for whatever reason - doesn't have a car to drive to the store, doesn't have the money, too lazy, I'm just feeling generous, whatever), do I not have a right to decide what to do with property that I've already purchased? Does Home Depot have the right to go to my neighbor and say "Well, yeah, Bob paid us for that wood, but YOU didn't! Somebody cut that wood down and has to be paid for their labor! You owe us, thief!"?

I don't think so. And I don't think there's any rationalizing it.

Two different issues, don't get them confused. If you bought the CD and shared it physically with another, no harm no foul. If you bought it digitally for yourself and gave it to a friend in a physical form, no problem. Still covered within Fair Use of the copyright act and we are paid via Agicoa rights (blank tape levies).

It's when you take it without paying for it (download) or put it up for anyone on the planet to use (uploads, shared folders) that's where you are going beyond what is set in the law for you to do. You are now making available infinite copies, which you are not allowed to do.

To use the same Home Depot analogy, that's fine if you neighbor let's you have some wood. It's fine if he let you cut down a tree on his property for you to use as wood. It's not ok for you to use wood he obtained illegally, nor is it ok for you to pass on the stolen wood to your friends. Kinda straightforward really...

**thome** · 06-26-2009, 11:49 PM

I feel no guilt downloading .

I would feel guilty posting copywrited material. But what is a copywrite, except with the written conscent of major league baseball.

Evidently they give the rights to some people, is it all about the money?

If download a thousand tunes am I offending who, the record co, or the artist.

It depends on the quality of the download .

I feel the only prosecution should be of crap downloads, low grade crap quality .

Who are the fukks who share but give no quality...youtube thats who.

Cops can share your busted Line-up photos and court records of you throwing rocks at the endangered frogs is public.

Fukk them.

Ted Turner runs real good movies in letterbox no commercials on his AMC TV channel but he degenerates the signal grade quality like fake like, at the source so if you copy it it sucks............ fukk him too!

It would be like if books were printed in dissapearing ink so they only last so long and then you must buy another one.........design failure.

Fight The Power!

**Big Train** · 06-28-2009, 02:08 PM

Some major fuzzy and contradictory thinking there Thome.

**thome** · 06-28-2009, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Big Train

Some major fuzzy and contradictory thinking there Thome.

That is why the sub-heading is as, who's side are -We- on? I just don't know.

Am I Made to "feel" guilty -giving away- something I own. By uploading..?

I am not distibuting, for profit.

Do I want the Record Co and Musician to make money, yes I do.

Was I bieng sarcastic about quality of the download, yes.

1.92 Million Download...?

1.92 Million Download...?

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