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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    What about the word NO doesn't Obama and Congress understand?

    Obama puts forward $1 trillion health care plan

    Feb 22, 10:01 AM (ET)

    By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR
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    WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is putting forward a nearly $1 trillion, 10-year health care plan that would allow the government to deny or roll back egregious insurance premium increases that infuriated consumers.

    Posted Monday morning on the White House Web site, the plan would provide coverage to more than 31 million Americans now uninsured without adding to the federal deficit.

    It conspicuously omits a government insurance plan sought by liberals.

    But it's uncertain that such an ambitions plan can pass, since Republicans are virtually all opposed and some Democrats who last year supported sweeping health care changes are having second thoughts. After a year in pursuit of his top domestic priority, Obama may have to settle for a modest fallback.

    THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

    WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is making a fresh attempt to rescue his health care overhaul by proposing a measure that would allow the government to deny or roll back egregious insurance premium increases that infuriate consumers.

    Coming just days before a White House health care summit with congressional leaders of both parties, Obama's legislative proposal, which will be unveiled later Monday, likely represents the president's last chance to salvage his signature issue.

    A White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity because details have not yet been officially released, said the insurance rate proposal would give the federal Health and Human Services Department - in conjunction with state authorities - the power to deny substantial premium increases, limit them, or demand rebates for consumers.

    In this initiative, the administration seemingly is playing directly to the same kind of public skepticism that has endangered the medical care system remake all along. Health care reform was a front-burner issue for Obama and majority Democrats in Congress until a little known Republican, Scott Brown, shocked the political establishment last month by defeating Massachusetts Democrat Martha Coakley in a special election to choose a successor for the late Sen. Edward Kennedy.

    Recent premium hikes of as much as 39 percent sought by Anthem Blue Cross in California have given Obama a new argument for his sweeping health care remake, stalled in Congress since Democrats lost their 60th Senate seat in a special election last month in Massachusetts.

    The proposal for tighter oversight of insurers is modeled on legislation proposed by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and will be part of a broader plan the White House plans to post on its Web site at 10 a.m. Monday, ahead of Thursday's health care summit.

    Until now, Obama has argued what should and should not be in a health care overhaul, but the legislation itself has largely been left up to majority Democrats in Congress to draft. It's the most detailed proposal yet to come from Obama.

    His plan is expected to require most Americans to carry health insurance coverage, with federal subsidies to help many afford the premiums. Hewing close to a stalled Senate bill, it would bar insurance companies from denying coverage to people with medical problems or charging them more. A tax on high-cost health insurance plans objected to by House Democrats - and labor unions - would be scaled back. The expected price tag is around $1 trillion over 10 years.

    Republicans have already served notice they'll continue to oppose it. They want Obama to start over with the goal of producing a more modest bill that tries to curb costs and helps small businesses and people with health problems secure coverage.

    The summit at Blair House, the White House guest residence, will be televised live on C-SPAN and perhaps on cable news networks. It represents a risky and unusual gamble by the administration that Obama can save his embattled overhaul through persuasion - on live TV.

    Brown's victory in Massachusetts reduced the Democrats' majority in the Senate to 59 votes, one shy of the number needed to knock down Republican delaying tactics.

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Sunday he would participate, but insisted Obama and congressional Democrats would be wrong to push the bills they wrote in the House and Senate.

    "The fundamental point I want to make is the arrogance of all of this. You know, they are saying: 'Ignore the wishes of the American people. We know more about this than you do. And we're going to jam it down your throats no matter what.' That is why the public is so angry at this Congress and this administration over this issue," said McConnell, R-Ky, speaking on "Fox News Sunday."

    Thursday's meeting will take place nearly a year after Obama launched his drive to remake health care - a Democratic agenda item for decades - at an earlier summit he infused with a bipartisan spirit. The president will point out that Republicans have supported individual elements of the Democratic bills.

    Under the Obama plan, regulators would create a competitive marketplace for small businesses and people buying their own coverage. The plan would be paid for with a mix of Medicare cuts and tax increases. It would also strip out special Medicaid deals for certain states, while moving to close the Medicare prescription coverage gap and making newly available coverage for working families more affordable.

    Oversight of insurance companies has traditionally been a state responsibility. The proposal for a new federal role calls for setting up a new seven-member Health Insurance Rate Authority that would monitor insurance industry behavior and issue an annual report. States that beef up their consumer protection programs would be eligible for a share of $250 million in federal grants.

    People buying insurance coverage on their own would stand to gain the most, since big company plans are now exempt from state oversight.

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  • hideyoursheep
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2007
    • 6351

    #2
    Why do you hate Americans, BBB?

    You don't want them all to be healthy?

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    • Seshmeister
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Oct 2003
      • 35197

      #3
      More importantly why does Brian not think the US people should get healthcare reform when most of them voted for it?

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      • BigBadBrian
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Jan 2004
        • 10625

        #4
        Originally posted by hideyoursheep
        Why do you hate Americans, BBB?
        Is this the new liberal response when you guys can't rebut an argument?

        I see it alot when you guys have nothing else to say.
        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10625

          #5
          Originally posted by Seshmeister
          More importantly why does Brian not think the US people should get healthcare reform when most of them voted for it?
          While most people, myself included, are for some kind of reform, most are against Obama's version of it.

          "President Obama this week called for a televised bipartisan summit to get his health care reform plan back on track, but 61% of U.S. voters say Congress should scrap that plan and start all over again."

          Health Care Reform - Rasmussen Reports
          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10625

            #6
            Originally posted by hideyoursheep
            You don't want them all to be healthy?
            Yes, as long as it's a system where he government doesn't run things and everyone has to pay something into their health coverage so they have a stake in it. No freebies.

            We don't want a failed system like the UK's NHS.
            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • Seshmeister
              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

              • Oct 2003
              • 35197

              #7
              For a failed system it looks pretty shit hot compared to yours.

              UK heart surgeons are among the best in the world

              UK heart surgeons are among the best in the world

              Zosia Kmietowicz
              London

              The most thorough investigation ever into individual surgeons' performance at the operating table has found that the United Kingdom's cardiac surgeons are among the best in the world, with more adults surviving surgery despite patients being sicker and older than elsewhere.

              All 222 cardiac surgeons who operate on adults in the United Kingdom met safety limits laid down by the Society of Cardiothoracic Surgeons, with none working at a mortality higher than 6% for coronary bypass surgery and many with much lower rates.​rates.

              Of almost 25 000 bypass operations done in the United Kingdom each year, the average mortality for 2003 was 1.8%, slightly less than that reported by surgeons in the United States. Professor Bruce Keogh, president elect of the society and author of the report, however, acknowledged that American surgeons deal with a more complex case mix, with many more obese and diabetic patients than UK surgeons, which accounted for the difference in outcomes.
              This is surgery on everyone from the homeless up for no charge to the patient and spending half as much per capita as the US. You could do with a failure like that...

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              • BigBadBrian
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Jan 2004
                • 10625

                #8
                Originally posted by Seshmeister

                This is surgery on everyone from the homeless up for no charge to the patient and spending half as much per capita as the US. You could do with a failure like that...
                If they don't die before they get in.
                “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35197

                  #9
                  No we bring them back to life for nothing too.

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    #10
                    Madam, we can save your husbands heart. Where would you like it sent?


                    Cheers!


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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35197

                      #11
                      We need them for the haggis.

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                      • BigBadBrian
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 10625

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        No we bring them back to life for nothing too.
                        So is that why Scots have pale, pasty complexions...they are dead? Or just braindead like you? :tongue0011:
                        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                        • kwame k
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 11302

                          #13
                          I'll agree, I hate the fucking lame ass shit they are trying to peddle as Health Care Reform now....I am among the majority of people who think this bill needs to be scraped but when reading things like this;

                          Anthem Blue Cross, a subsidiary of WellPoint Inc., has been under fire for a week from regulators and politicians for notifying some of its 800,000 individual policyholders in California that it plans to raise rates by up to 39 percent March 1.

                          The Anthem Blue Cross plan in Maine is asking for increases of about 23 percent this year for some individual policyholders. Last year, they raised rates up to 32 percent.

                          Kansas had one recent case where one insurer wanting to raise most individual rates 20 percent to 30 percent was persuaded by state insurance officials to reduce the increases to 10 percent to 20 percent. The insurance department would not identify the company but said it was not Anthem.

                          And in Oregon, multiple insurers were granted rate hikes of 15 percent or more this year after increases of around 25 percent last year for customers who purchase individual health insurance, rather than getting it through their employer.

                          Premiums are far more volatile for individual policies than for those bought by employers and other large groups, which have bargaining clout and a sizable pool of people among which to spread risk. As more people have lost jobs, many who are healthy have decided to go without health insurance or get a bare-bones, high-deductible policy, reducing the amount of premiums insurers receive.

                          Steep rate hikes in this sliver of the insurance market — about 13 million Americans, as of 2008 — have popped up sporadically for years. Experts see them becoming increasingly common.

                          "You're going to see rate increases of 20, 25, 30 percent" for individual health policies in the near term, Sandy Praeger, chairwoman of the health insurance and managed care committee for the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, predicted Friday.
                          Most states don't have the legal authority to block or reduce health insurance rate increases, Praeger noted. Link
                          The thing is the Democrats are fucking pussies and squandered their super majority, period. They caved into the big bad Repukes. Hell, Dubya had 13 less seats than the Demos have now and did whatever the fuck he wanted.

                          The problem is.......regulation has become the boogie man word. OH NO!!!! The government wants to rule us and tell us what to do. Death Panels, Nazism, and the likes. The Repukes are so bent on ruining the Demos that they'll do it in spite ruining the American people.

                          You mental midgets never even consider how your daily life is regulated by the government already....from the food you eat to the car you drive. The Repukes now are the party of un-regulations? Great, do away with the FDA because by your standards we shouldn't tell business to have a minimum standard for the food we eat.

                          Regulations are not necessarily a bad thing and I see nothing the Repukes are offering other than becoming the Party of No. You got a better idea on how to stop the rampant corruption that goes on in the Health Care Industry. Raising rates just because you feel like it and business practices that are unethical to say the least.....bring it the fuck on.

                          Either be part of the solution or you are the fucking problem, period. Your lame ass Obama is a socialist, communist or whatever 'ist you fear mongers can come up with is nothing more than buying into the rhetoric of the mid-term elections. The Repukes stand for nothing.....don't preach about lower taxes and less government because taxes were lowered and over the last 10 years you guys with a majority in Washington increased government by more than any Democrat has......Home Land Security and The Patriot Act just to name two.I know it's OK to bloat the government on your watch because we are fighting Terra'ist. You ruined this country and you continue to do so. Anyone who believes differently better look at the facts.

                          Vote in all the Repukes you want in the mid-terms......then you'll be living the definition of insanity.....doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.
                          Originally posted by vandeleur
                          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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                          • ULTRAMAN VH
                            Commando
                            • May 2004
                            • 1480

                            #14
                            Hold on to your wallet's folks, Obama's latest HEALTH CARE proposal is laden with new taxes.

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                            • kwame k
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 11302

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
                              Hold on to your wallet's folks, Obama's latest HEALTH CARE proposal is laden with new taxes.
                              Phew, glad to know it's Obama's fault that.........
                              The Anthem Blue Cross plan in Maine is asking for increases of about 23 percent this year for some individual policyholders. Last year, they raised rates up to 32 percent.
                              .......Anthem has raised their rates 55% on some people in the last year.

                              One of the single biggest expense for individuals and small businesses is Health Care but let's not let the facts get in the way of good clean Rove-like scare tactics.
                              Originally posted by vandeleur
                              E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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