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  • Nickdfresh
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    • Oct 2004
    • 49205

    So Who's Buying GM Stock?

    November 10, 2010
    G.M., Days Away From Stock Offering, Posts $2 Billion Profit
    By NICK BUNKLEY

    DETROIT — A week before its initial public offering, General Motors reported its largest quarterly profit in 11 years on Wednesday, showing that the slimmed-down automaker no longer needed huge sales to generate significant earnings.

    G.M. said it earned $2 billion in the third quarter, nearly equaling its profit for the first half of 2010. G.M. earned $4.2 billion from January through September.

    The company said it expected to report a fourth-quarter profit, at least before accounting for interest and taxes, though “at a significantly lower run rate than each of the first three quarters,” and a full-year profit for the first time since 2004.

    “As demonstrated by our third consecutive quarter of profitability and positive cash flow, these results continue our significant progress,” G.M.’s chief financial officer, Christopher P. Liddell, said in a statement.

    The profit was equal to $1.20 a share, after a three-for-one stock split. There is no meaningful year-ago profit comparison because the company emerged from bankruptcy in the third quarter of 2009.

    Revenue increased 27 percent from the third quarter last year, to $34.1 billion.

    G.M. earned $2.1 billion in North America, the region that had been responsible for most of its losses in recent years. It lost $559 million in Europe. It had $33.5 billion in cash and marketable securities as of Sept. 30, up from $31.5 billion as of June 30.

    “We know we have much more work to do,” G.M.’s chief executive, Daniel F. Akerson, said in a conference call with analysts and reporters. “We still need to fix Europe. We continue to be vigilant in reducing costs in the enterprise, and we have just started doing a better job marketing our brands to consumers.”

    Company executives have been traveling this week to meet with potential investors to convince them that the new G.M., formed by discarding burdensome assets in bankruptcy protection last year, is positioned to consistently generate a profit.

    G.M. can earn about $11 billion to $13 billion a year under normal market conditions and as much as $19 billion in boom times, Mr. Liddell said in a video created for would-be investors and posted online.

    Three years ago, G.M. needed to sell nearly four million vehicles a year in the United States to break even, but today, it can be profitable at roughly half that sales volume, Mr. Liddell said in the video. Hourly labor costs have been cut by more than two-thirds, to $5 billion, from $16 billion in 2005, he said.

    Through October, G.M. was on pace to sell about 2.2 million vehicles this year in the United States, about half as many as it did in 2005, when it lost $10.6 billion.

    It shed four of its eight domestic brands, shutting down Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer, and selling Saab to a Dutch company, Spyker Cars. Over all, G.M.’s sales are up 6.6 percent this year, but sales by the brands that are still offered, Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC, are up 22.1 percent.

    New models, including redesigned versions of the Buick LaCrosse sedan and Chevrolet Equinox crossover vehicle, have been well received by critics and consumers, to the point that G.M. has struggled to keep up with demand. Early sales of a critical new small car, the Chevrolet Cruze, have been brisk, and G.M. is about a month away from introducing the Chevrolet Volt, a plug-in hybrid car that it says represents the company’s future direction.

    G.M.’s public stock offering, expected to occur Nov. 18 and be worth at least $10.6 billion, will allow the federal government to begin recouping the bulk of its $49.5 billion investment in the automaker. The government plans initially to sell about a third of its 61 percent stake in G.M., in the hope that it can divest the remaining portion as the shares’ value increases.

    The automaker said last week that shares would be priced from $26 to $29, after a three-for-one split. Other G.M. stakeholders, including a trust that pays health care costs for union retirees, plan to participate in the offering.

    Ultimately, the government needs to sell its shares for an average of about $44 to break even. The Treasury Department already has recovered $7.4 billion from G.M., including interest and dividends, and is slated to get a $2.1 billion more after the offering, from a deal in which G.M. has agreed to repurchase preferred shares held by the Treasury.

    Separately, G.M. confirmed in a filing to the Securities and Exchange Commission that it had removed one of the underwriters for its public offering, because an employee of the bank distributed an “unauthorized e-mail” containing information about the offering. G.M. did not identify the bank, but UBS is no longer listed as an underwriter on G.M.’s amended registration forms. G.M. said that the e-mail might violate S.E.C. rules, but that nonetheless, “We do not believe that we will be subject to any material liability.”

    G.M.’s third-quarter profit surpasses the $1.7 billion earned in the same period by the Ford Motor Company, the only Detroit automaker to avoid bankruptcy. Ford has earned $6.3 billion so far this year.

    Chrysler, which filed for bankruptcy protection a month sooner than G.M. and is 8 percent owned by the federal government, said on Monday that that it lost $84 million in the third quarter but posted a third consecutive operating profit. Chrysler expects to have a public stock offering in late 2011.

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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32798

    #2
    Why do I want to invest in a company that went belly up due to poor management and saved by a broke government? There are two main things you look at before buying a stock. One, the amount of debt the company is saddled with and two, the management. Just because a stock is cheap doesn't mean you buy it. Used cigarette butts are cheap as well.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • PETE'S BROTHER
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Feb 2007
      • 12678

      #3
      china
      Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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      • Nitro Express
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 32798

        #4
        Ford. They didn't need a bailout, plus those new Mustangs are good looking cars.
        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49205

          #5
          Go buy a fucking Chinese Cherry!

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32798

            #6
            Fuck Cherry. George Sorros and Maurice Strong (king pin of the UN global warming hoax) were responsible for getting those pieces of shit imported to the US.

            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49205

              #7
              Originally posted by Nitro Express
              Fuck Cherry. George Sorros and Maurice Strong (king pin of the UN global warming hoax) were responsible for getting those pieces of shit imported to the US.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chery_Automobile
              I mean really? Maybe you should be a bit more critical when Wikishittypedia and actually denote their sources:

              Canada Free Press founding editor Most recent by Judi McLeod is an award-winning journalist with 30 years experience in the print media. Her work has appeared on Newsmax.com, Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, Glenn Beck. Judi can be reached at: judi@canadafreepress.com

              The completely out of place sentence in the Wiki article is based on the factually incorrect rantings of some Canadian fucktard author who panders to the right for a living...

              Check citation #7.

              And the article also states that GM has attempted to sue Chery for infringement and blatantly ripping off their styling (Buick is one of the most popular cars in China, ironically).

              And while Chery may ultimately become a daunting threat to the U.S. car industry, my bet is they won't ever be a major player here as we're already reaching market saturation with makes from Europe, South Korea, Japan, and soon to be India. I don't think they're going to find enough of a market here just as several Euro manufacturers such as Opel, Renault and Fiat have been driven out...

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32798

                #8
                Maurice Strong was the prime instigator in the carbon tax scam. He also was involved in the UN oil for food scam and when the heat was on, he booked for China. Not exactly the kind of guy I want to buy a car from.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • twonabomber
                  formerly F A T
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 11194

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  And while Chery may ultimately become a daunting threat to the U.S. car industry, my bet is they won't ever be a major player here as we're already reaching market saturation with makes from Europe, South Korea, Japan, and soon to be India. I don't think they're going to find enough of a market here just as several Euro manufacturers such as Opel, Renault and Fiat have been driven out...
                  Fiat's coming back with Alfa Romeo returning a possibility. Opel would be just another badge-engineered Chevy product that GM doesn't need and Renault is running Nissan.

                  India's already here since Tata Motors bought Jag and Land Rover. the Mahindra pickup is being delayed again and again, who knows when it'll show up.
                  Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49205

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nitro Express
                    Maurice Strong was the prime instigator in the carbon tax scam. He also was involved in the UN oil for food scam and when the heat was on, he booked for China.
                    Mouthing the same cliches. The "oil for food scandal" shit was largely scapegoating and blame-shifting after the Iraq invasion became a clusterfuck in an effort to deflect attention from the fact that taking over Iraq largely meant taking its oil and securing it for U.S. and Euro company contracts. And the carbon tax isn't a scam, it's an effort to enforce sustainability...

                    Not exactly the kind of guy I want to buy a car from.
                    He's not a car salesman...

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49205

                      #11
                      Originally posted by twonabomber
                      Fiat's coming back with Alfa Romeo returning a possibility.
                      I hope so. It will be interesting to see what they do at Chrysler dealerships.

                      Opel would be just another badge-engineered Chevy product that GM doesn't need and Renault is running Nissan.
                      GM is still rebadging Opels (Buick Regal is just an Opel, and a nice one). And if GM had taken a page out of Ford's book and used Saturn as Opel of North America sooner instead of just making a slightly nicer Cobalt/G5 and Malibu/G6, they might still be around as a real alternative to the other carboncopy GM products...

                      India's already here since Tata Motors bought Jag and Land Rover. the Mahindra pickup is being delayed again and again, who knows when it'll show up.
                      Yeah, we'll see what happens with those. Ford took pains to improve the quality of both, especially Jag. We'll see how the Indians do...

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                      • Nitro Express
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 32798

                        #12
                        The thing with GM. Their previous stock and bond holders got the shaft. What's to say that doesn't happen again? Plus, who is gong to buy the Volt in a depression? It's too expensive.
                        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32798

                          #13
                          Ford needed cash so they sold Land Rover and Jaguar off to Tatta. It's one move that allowed them to avoid a bailout.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32798

                            #14
                            Everyone knows Alfa Romero and Fiat are horribly unreliable cars. I had an Alfa Romero Spider. A neat fun car but lots of problems. If you want reliable transportation, avoid those things. If you want a good foreign car brand, buy a Volkswagen.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Nitro Express
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 32798

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              Mouthing the same cliches. The "oil for food scandal" shit was largely scapegoating and blame-shifting after the Iraq invasion became a clusterfuck in an effort to deflect attention from the fact that taking over Iraq largely meant taking its oil and securing it for U.S. and Euro company contracts. And the carbon tax isn't a scam, it's an effort to enforce sustainability...



                              He's not a car salesman...

                              Drink the Kool-Aid my friend. You don't have a clue. You must work for the government or collect welfare. You certainly don't have any assets to protect.
                              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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