Is it time to get rid of the DH?

[POJO_Risin]

I'm one of the few traditional fans that actually like the DH...to be honest here...

but...as of late...there really aren't many DH's that are any good.

Really...only Raul Ibanez, Travis Hafner and David Ortiz are regular DH's...the prototypes...

So...if you have a DH spot...and that spot isn't an above average offensive player...then...WTF not just have the fucking pitchers hit...

is it time?

[DlocRoth]

No way....

Would you rather see someone up there who can hit, or someone who bats .091?

I do respect the strategy that comes with a pitcher having an at bat, but shit, I like the streamlined version...

Maybe something to do with growing up in an A.L. city but I just like offense.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Hell yeah it's time to get rid of it, it's been time....

I like the strategy...

I like the bunting...

I like the double switches at the end of the game...

You can basically put an AL game on autopilot after setting the lineup...

You ever notice that most of the beanbrawls happen in the AL ??

You really don't wonder why that is, do you ??

[POJO_Risin]

I also see less people sleeping in the American League stands...

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan

I like the strategy...

You ever notice that most of the beanbrawls happen in the AL ??

You really don't wonder why that is, do you ??

Yeah, there's nothing I like better than watching a fat manager think. (ELR)

Thing about the beanballs is, in the AL, if a pitcher is gonna go after a batter, he knows that if there's retailiation, it's not gonna be against him but one of his teammates. I think that keeps the beanings down.

Look, I prefer the DH but at the end of the day I could give a rat's ass whether they keep it or not. The thing I get tired of is the NL fans, players and managers crying about it. A few years back, Tony Gywnn of the Padres was crying that he didn't like DHing because it was hard to keep stretched/warmed up as a DH so he was worried about injuries. Try digging a ditch for 6 bucks a hour Tony, you can stay loose that way.

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
I also see less people sleeping in the American League stands...

[POJO_Risin]

I'm sorry...did you say something?...I just woke up from watching St. Louis and Atlanta...my bad...

[POJO_Risin]

Originally posted by EbDawson
A few years back, Tony Gywnn of the Padres was crying that he didn't like DHing because it was hard to keep stretched/warmed up as a DH so he was worried about injuries. Try digging a ditch for 6 bucks a hour Tony, you can stay loose that way.

It is pretty fucking funny how much these fuckers are out of reality...

[EbDawson]

Well, there ya go. :D

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Neither of you two said anything why the DH should be kept IN....

I'll admit, I've accepted the AL game for what it is...

I just personally prefer the NL game, where not having the DH at least provides a little more to the game, especially in close games....

In the NL, you NEED that 25 man roster....

In the AL, you could get away with 20....

[POJO_Risin]

First of all...the only reason why I want to get rid of the DH is because of the lack of quality players DHing...

second of all...the "strategy" horseshit is just that.

People make the "strategy" in the NL sound like a fucking chess game...which is about fucking ludicrous.

You can count good bunters with one hand in both leagues...and that's the truth...can't even be refuted because the art is so gone.

and double switches? Jesus Christ...yeah...wonderful...big deal...so essentially...what you do with a double switch...is get a guy in the lineup for offensive purposes so that the pitcher doesn't have to hit.

THEY ARE RARE in the NL now...with specialized pitchers...

double switches DO get magnified in the playoffs though...so I'll concede playoff double switches...

so...you've essentially given us bunting and double switches as the defense for no DH...

and dude...that's like defending not having to drink water...when you can drink cool aid...

Why keep the DH?

Simple...

it's a better game. It makes the pitchers have to be better...it makes the offenses better...EVEN if the offensive players aren't as good at the DH position...

and I disagree...because of the better offense...you need more specialized relievers in the AL...

your 25-20 roster statement is just plain wrong.

maybe 25-23...I don't disagree with that at all...for a nine inning game...

but all the rest of your points are the merits that are brought up every year...and just don't hold down any weight.

[POJO_Risin]

20 man roster...

I don't think YOU believe have the stuff you post sometimes...

[Va Beach VH Fan]

LOL, depends on what kind of mood I'm in whether I believe my own stuff....

How can do say that strategy is horseshit ??

That's exactly where my 25 man arguement comes into play....

The fact that there are less and less good bunters is EXACTLY why a good bunter is so much more valuable....

In fact, I'd attribute the downfall of bunting specifically to the AL !!!

And double switches is yet another reason that it's so important to have a good bench....

The bottom line, IMO, is that baseball was meant to be played with 9 starting players, not 10...

Irregardless of your opinion whether the merits hold any weight....

[POJO_Risin]

So let me get this straight...you are blaming the AL for the NL's ineptness at developing someone to bunt?

dream on. Bunting is an art that you can learn in spring training...easily...

I know where your 25 man roster comes into play...but it's not like you have 4 or 5 double switches a game...at most...2...and that's rare...

and gee...you have to be brilliant to figure out that you need to get your pitcher out of a hitters position if you are down late in the game. lmfao...

so you said that good bunters are valuable because there are less and less good bunters...which you've blamed on the DL...

so...your essentially saying that the value of employing a good bunter in the NL is directly BECAUSE of the DH...

so I guess...subliminally..you want the DH to stay...

[POJO_Risin]

Va...you are to smart to say that the strategy in the NL is why the DH sucks...

because any person with rudimentary understanding of the game can teach someone how to bunt...and know how to double switch...and which situations to do it in...

the ONLY time it effects the outcome of a game that may hold salt in this conversation...is if some dimwit double switches in the fifth (very rare)...and loses a player they need later in the game...

generally speaking...when the double switch is pulled...there is no strategy...

it's not an opinion...it's fact...

if it were fact...then the DH would have disappeared years ago...