Originally posted by ALinChainz
by Profootballtalk editor Mike Florio
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POSTED 8:13 a.m. EST, December 28, 2004
NOT ALL GIANTS CRY ABOUT COUGHLIN
With each passing week (and loss), more and more members of the New York Giants are crying about the conditions under first-year coach Tom Coughlin.
But we're learning that there are more than a few players who believe that the problem isn't Coughlin, but the guys in the locker room who simply want to piss and moan about anything/everything.
Per one player: "Most of us know that Coughlin wants to win as bad as we do. Some of the guys would complain if their mom was coaching . . . . They complained when [Jim] Fassel was here too, and he was easy to play for."
Said another: "Shut the f--k up and play. If you have a beef, go to the coach. If you're not man enough to tell him face to face then shut your f--king mouth. This is a business, not some day care center."
Yet another: "Get rid of the crybabies and let us who want to win play. We aren't going to agree with everything the coaches say or do, but they have actually been pretty good about things considering some of the dumb ass plays we make and penalties we take."
These remarks mirror the sentiments of owner Wellington Mara, who chastised the whiners on Monday. "I think if I was a player, who had been here for these two years, under completely different coaching staffs, I think the first place I would look would be to myself. What could I accomplish? What did I accomplish? What didn't I accomplish? And I might be just a little worried about my own job.
"I don't know who is complaining now, but if I was any player, complaining or not, I'd look at myself. The fact that we've had two bad seasons and two completely different coaching staffs, makes you wonder. It's making me wonder: What have I done that's wrong? You have to think about yourself."
WHITE WAS GREAT, AND FLAWED
At a time when Reggie White is being remembered fondly by coaches, teammates, and broadcasters, plenty of league insiders are also recalling his one significant public gaffe, which came when he delivered a March 1998 address to the Wisconsin Legislature that offended in one fell swoop Hispanics, Japanese, Jews, whites, blacks, American Indians, and gays.
"We have had controversial speakers in the past," said legislator Walter Kunicki at the time. "But there has never been the kind of tension that was in the room today."
Although White later apologized for his remarks, he did not include his anti-gay remarks in his mea culpa. In fact, White subsequently fanned the flames with additional comments reflecting a strong bias against homosexuality.
And while some members of the media are now taking the position that, because White apologized for his comments, he should be celebrated, not criticized.
But we're having trouble characterizing White's comments as nothing more than a mistake that can be rectified with a seemingly heartfelt, "I'm sorry." Wrecking a car into another vehicle is, in most cases, an accident; the delivery of prepared remarks is an intentional act that provides a window into the speaker's soul. The speaker can later apologize for his choice of words, but he hardly can get away with calling the whole thing as inadvertent.
Our goal here is not to bash White, but to put his entire life into perspective. As one league insider told us on Monday, "White was a great player and a good guy off the field," but "[l]et's not forget" his comments.
BATES TO GET SOME SNIFFS?
Word around the league is that Dolphins interim coach Jim Bates has put himself in position to be considered for other coaching vacancies this offseason with his solid performance over the last half of the season in Miami.
Currently, the only vacancy is in Cleveland. Other jobs that could become available after the season include the Seahawks, the Chiefs, the Raiders, the Titans (possibly), the Saints, the Vikings, and the 49ers.
Bates provides, in our view, a low-cost alternative for teams that don't want to spend much more than $1 million per year on a head coach. Plus, he's done very well under trying conditions in Miami -- especially over the last two weeks, when the team pocketed back-to-back wins despite Saban's looming shadow.
MEATHEAD MIGHT HAVE SEALED HIS FATE
Backed into a corner by a deadline that someone in the Vikings front office didn't think through very carefully when drafting coach Mike Tice's contract, team owner Red McCombs has picked up the option on a fourth full season with Tice as the man at the helm.
Whether Tice is around in 2004 or beyond, however, remains to be seen.
Under the option, Tice will earn $1 million in 2005. Not bad money, but still much less than other NFL coaches.
Then again, Tice hasn't done much in three years on the job to deserve more.
McCombs would have preferred to wait until after the dust of the 2004 regular season settled before committing to another season with Tice. The problem, however, was that McCombs had only until January 1 to exercise the option.
And when Tice refused on Monday to extend the deadline, Tice likewise prevented himself from getting a contract extension -- absent a strong performance in 2005.
"When we couldn't get the option date changed," McCombs said, "that wiped out any discussion of a possible extension."
McCombs bought the team in 1998, and Denny Green was entering the season as a lame duck. McCombs promptly signed him to an extension. In Tice's case, the looming expiration of his contract could become a distraction next season.
The potential distraction of Tice's status in the last days of 2004 surely motivated McCombs to make a decision. Still, we don't rule out a short-term parting of the ways between McCombs and Tice, if the Vikings continue their annual late-season disappearing act. Although the coach could sit home for a year and collect 80 percent of his salary (a limit apparently specified in the contract), our guess is that he'd get a job on another staff -- and his pay there likely would cut into McCombs' debt to Tice for 2005.
And although we routinely question Tice's cranial abilities, even he is smart enough to know that the exercise of the option is no guarantee. "It still doesn't mean I'll be back, you know what I mean?" Tice said. "We just have to keep fighting the fight."
Correction -- you have to start winning the fight.
Our guess is that if the Vikings lose at Washington on Sunday and miss the playoffs, or get blown off the field in their first-round playoff game at Green Bay, Seattle, or St. Louis, McCombs will end up going Trumpish on Tice.
by Profootballtalk editor Mike Florio
CHECK OUT THE RUMOR MILL ARCHIVES!
POSTED 8:13 a.m. EST, December 28, 2004
NOT ALL GIANTS CRY ABOUT COUGHLIN
With each passing week (and loss), more and more members of the New York Giants are crying about the conditions under first-year coach Tom Coughlin.
But we're learning that there are more than a few players who believe that the problem isn't Coughlin, but the guys in the locker room who simply want to piss and moan about anything/everything.
Per one player: "Most of us know that Coughlin wants to win as bad as we do. Some of the guys would complain if their mom was coaching . . . . They complained when [Jim] Fassel was here too, and he was easy to play for."
Said another: "Shut the f--k up and play. If you have a beef, go to the coach. If you're not man enough to tell him face to face then shut your f--king mouth. This is a business, not some day care center."
Yet another: "Get rid of the crybabies and let us who want to win play. We aren't going to agree with everything the coaches say or do, but they have actually been pretty good about things considering some of the dumb ass plays we make and penalties we take."
These remarks mirror the sentiments of owner Wellington Mara, who chastised the whiners on Monday. "I think if I was a player, who had been here for these two years, under completely different coaching staffs, I think the first place I would look would be to myself. What could I accomplish? What did I accomplish? What didn't I accomplish? And I might be just a little worried about my own job.
"I don't know who is complaining now, but if I was any player, complaining or not, I'd look at myself. The fact that we've had two bad seasons and two completely different coaching staffs, makes you wonder. It's making me wonder: What have I done that's wrong? You have to think about yourself."
WHITE WAS GREAT, AND FLAWED
At a time when Reggie White is being remembered fondly by coaches, teammates, and broadcasters, plenty of league insiders are also recalling his one significant public gaffe, which came when he delivered a March 1998 address to the Wisconsin Legislature that offended in one fell swoop Hispanics, Japanese, Jews, whites, blacks, American Indians, and gays.
"We have had controversial speakers in the past," said legislator Walter Kunicki at the time. "But there has never been the kind of tension that was in the room today."
Although White later apologized for his remarks, he did not include his anti-gay remarks in his mea culpa. In fact, White subsequently fanned the flames with additional comments reflecting a strong bias against homosexuality.
And while some members of the media are now taking the position that, because White apologized for his comments, he should be celebrated, not criticized.
But we're having trouble characterizing White's comments as nothing more than a mistake that can be rectified with a seemingly heartfelt, "I'm sorry." Wrecking a car into another vehicle is, in most cases, an accident; the delivery of prepared remarks is an intentional act that provides a window into the speaker's soul. The speaker can later apologize for his choice of words, but he hardly can get away with calling the whole thing as inadvertent.
Our goal here is not to bash White, but to put his entire life into perspective. As one league insider told us on Monday, "White was a great player and a good guy off the field," but "[l]et's not forget" his comments.
BATES TO GET SOME SNIFFS?
Word around the league is that Dolphins interim coach Jim Bates has put himself in position to be considered for other coaching vacancies this offseason with his solid performance over the last half of the season in Miami.
Currently, the only vacancy is in Cleveland. Other jobs that could become available after the season include the Seahawks, the Chiefs, the Raiders, the Titans (possibly), the Saints, the Vikings, and the 49ers.
Bates provides, in our view, a low-cost alternative for teams that don't want to spend much more than $1 million per year on a head coach. Plus, he's done very well under trying conditions in Miami -- especially over the last two weeks, when the team pocketed back-to-back wins despite Saban's looming shadow.
MEATHEAD MIGHT HAVE SEALED HIS FATE
Backed into a corner by a deadline that someone in the Vikings front office didn't think through very carefully when drafting coach Mike Tice's contract, team owner Red McCombs has picked up the option on a fourth full season with Tice as the man at the helm.
Whether Tice is around in 2004 or beyond, however, remains to be seen.
Under the option, Tice will earn $1 million in 2005. Not bad money, but still much less than other NFL coaches.
Then again, Tice hasn't done much in three years on the job to deserve more.
McCombs would have preferred to wait until after the dust of the 2004 regular season settled before committing to another season with Tice. The problem, however, was that McCombs had only until January 1 to exercise the option.
And when Tice refused on Monday to extend the deadline, Tice likewise prevented himself from getting a contract extension -- absent a strong performance in 2005.
"When we couldn't get the option date changed," McCombs said, "that wiped out any discussion of a possible extension."
McCombs bought the team in 1998, and Denny Green was entering the season as a lame duck. McCombs promptly signed him to an extension. In Tice's case, the looming expiration of his contract could become a distraction next season.
The potential distraction of Tice's status in the last days of 2004 surely motivated McCombs to make a decision. Still, we don't rule out a short-term parting of the ways between McCombs and Tice, if the Vikings continue their annual late-season disappearing act. Although the coach could sit home for a year and collect 80 percent of his salary (a limit apparently specified in the contract), our guess is that he'd get a job on another staff -- and his pay there likely would cut into McCombs' debt to Tice for 2005.
And although we routinely question Tice's cranial abilities, even he is smart enough to know that the exercise of the option is no guarantee. "It still doesn't mean I'll be back, you know what I mean?" Tice said. "We just have to keep fighting the fight."
Correction -- you have to start winning the fight.
Our guess is that if the Vikings lose at Washington on Sunday and miss the playoffs, or get blown off the field in their first-round playoff game at Green Bay, Seattle, or St. Louis, McCombs will end up going Trumpish on Tice.
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