Holyfield beginning yet another comeback

[redblkwht]

Originally posted by jcook11
I hope the guy doesn't end up like Ali, Parkisons' disease my ass he's fucked up from those left hands of Smokin Joe.

Nah, i disagree..rewatch the foreman fight, he took more of a beating in the rope a dope.
Joe did some damage, but remember george dumped
joe like a sack of potatoes..

I really think Ali took more damage vs foreman & shavers
than anyone else.

[binnie]

Originally posted by ALinChainz
Holyfield got a watered down and washed up Tyson.

Back in 1991 before the rape conviction, Tyson would have killed him, he was a monster heavyweight then.

Holyfield was still for the most part a cruiserweight.

True, at his peak Tyson would have beaten Holyfield and Lennox Lewis.

What he lost inside was his speed of movement. At his peak, he was very quick coming forward and could get past an opponents jab to land those damaging blows. Because he didn't have that any more, Lewis was able to keep him at bay and never took a big shot from Tyson.

I think Holyfield would have been a tougher fight for Tyson at his peak than Lewis - Tyson wouldn't have knocked him out I don't think, as Holyfield has a head like grannite and and iron jaw. So it would have been a points victory for Mike.

[binnie]

Holyfield was a great fighter, no question.

However he struggled with two types of fighter.

Lefties (think about the first Moorer fight)

People considerably taller (Riddick and Lewis)

[redblkwht]

Originally posted by binnie
Holyfield was a great fighter, no question.

However he struggled with two types of fighter.

Lefties (think about the first Moorer fight)

People considerably taller (Riddick and Lewis)

Never forget the Riddick Bowe fight
lol he handed him his ass in one of them!

[Warham]

Holyfield would've never have lost a decision to Tyson back then. Holyfield would regularly go the distance in many fights, and had the stamina to do so. Tyson's longest fight was around 6 or so rounds pre-Douglas, wasn't it?

[POJO_Risin]

I actually don't think that Tyson would have lost to Holyfield...and I do think that he would have knocked him out...as someone said...what made Tyson great...as his manager...Kevin Rooney said...was his head movement...

always moving forward...and always moving...and he would throw bombs from nearly any angle...when you thought he couldn't...

When he got tired...the movement stopped...and he could get touched...see Buster Douglas...

I do think though...that Tyson could have floored anyone in his prime...pre-jail...

Holyfield was a great heavy however...period...one of THE greats...

although the Tyson fights shouldn't be considered his grand achievements...

his desire to win...

NOW...let's say the shoulders are healed...and he DOES regain some of what he lost...

I doubt it...but say he does (and stranger things have happened)....

well...it would be interesting...no wouldn't it...

and if someone fucking compared David Tua...a fulltime nobody...to Holyfield...a 4-time champ...I mean...c'mon...

and yeah...Ali faced a ton of damage from Norton...and from Foreman...and many...many others...

but if you want to see true damage...

watch his 3 fights against Frazier...they were brutal...and fucking Frazier AND Ali nearly killed each other...there's a point in each fight where both fighters only defense was their face....

[Unchainme]

He should fight Brian Minto, theres an automatic win and payday right there.

I hear Joe has been working out trying to get the fight in a Days Inn Motel in Butler .

[binnie]

Originally posted by Warham
Holyfield would've never have lost a decision to Tyson back then. Holyfield would regularly go the distance in many fights, and had the stamina to do so. Tyson's longest fight was around 6 or so rounds pre-Douglas, wasn't it?

You may be right, did he fight Ruddock after Douglas?

I know the Ruddock fights went more than 6 rounds. I can't remember how long the bonecrusher Simth fight lasted either.

Anyway, its true that Tyson didn't have to go the distance often,but that was because he not only had brutal power, but deadly accuracy - the amount of shots he landed square on the jaw is staggering, largely because his punches never had to travel very far.

I think Tyson would have wooped Holyfield back then, either on points or the ref stopping the fight - I just don't think Evander could lived with a full on Tyson

[jcook11]

At his peak Tyson was the BADDEST MOTHERFUCKER on the planet, IMO. Watching some of his old fights when he had the head movement like PJR noted, He would knock you the fuck out with either hand.

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Holyfield needs to stay retired. His speech is slurred from past wars, what is this guy thinking. As for Tyson, when he had Kevin Rooney in his corner and CusD'Amato, with Jim Jacobs managing, he was unstoppable. Nobody and I mean nobody could have beaton Tyson during this time period. With the passing of Cus and Jim Jacobs and the idiotic firing of Kevin Rooney, Tyson deteriorated both mentally and physically. Signing with Don King sealed Tysons fate.

[ALinChainz]

Minto is a bum. You claimed to be at his last fight, yet you posted scores that were for an 8 round fight, and he couldn't knock out that last bum in 10.

It went 10 rounds asshole.

All he has ever fought is bums.

He got his ass KICKED by Tony Tubbs.

A 42 year old, 300+ lb crack addict.

GOT HIS ASS KICKED ALL OVER.

LOST.

LOST Jose, LOST.

Look at Minto's record and the records of the fighters he's fought. And now his next fight you say is with Andy Sample, who is 11-13-1 in his last 25 fights. Unranked. Another bum.

His biggest payday has been $20,000.

There is no way in Hell he would have turned down a fight with Holyfield.

C'mon dumbfuck ... you have a restraining order against you with Minto's camp and are in homo love with the ugly bastard, but act like you know something about boxing or shut the shithole.

[binnie]

Do we have any idea who Hollyfield is planning to fight?

Is he considering taking on the bg Russian?

[ALinChainz]

I gaurantee Minto never turned down a Holyfield fight.

Wanna bet Joe?

You know I can find out to.

Look who he has fought. He foought Bates? Big deal, 17-7 at the time Minto fought him. And know he's 4-4 since?

And now Minto fights someone who has lost 4 of his last 6?

Bet me Joe ... he fought Tony Tubbs but wouldn't fight Holyfield which would have brought him at the very least 6 figures instead of the 4 and 5 he fights for now.

You're an idiot. Put up or shut up.

[sadaist]

Originally posted by Warham
Holyfield would've never have lost a decision to Tyson back then. Holyfield would regularly go the distance in many fights, and had the stamina to do so. Tyson's longest fight was around 6 or so rounds pre-Douglas, wasn't it?

Take Holyfield in his prime against Tyson in his prime and I would probably take Holyfield. Tyson was a fighter, while Holyfield a boxer. All Evander had to do was 1) not be scared (so many of Tyson's opponents were beat before the bell even rang), 2) get past the first 3 rounds. After that, with his stamina and toe-to-toe style & quickness, he would have outscored, outjabbed and outmoved Tyson. Tyson was a killer in the first 3 rounds but dropped off drastically after that.

Although I'm a huge fan of both. I just prefer Evander.