The Army Boxing Thread

[sonrisa salvaje]

Mosely is a warrior - think of those fights where he gave it his all.

Against Manny, he wanted a payday. I think he was worried about getting KO's for sure.

A lot of this has to do with being totally outclassed by Floyd - Floyd breaks people mentally: you go from thinking you're invincible to realizing that you are not. It's a mental break: Hatton was never the same, Judah was never the same, and now Shane too.

I don't know about Judah. His fight with Floyd was actually a pretty good fight. Not to mention, Zab is a current world champion and is campaigning for a rematch with Floyd.

[binnie]

Zab has been mentally weak ever since. He crumbles in fights.

He has certainly looked better at 140 than 147, but he's yet to face a real elite fighter there. Floyd crushes him in a rematch.

Zab has great power, great speed and tons of skills. What stops him from being P4P is his mind.

[jhale667]

Agree Floyd destroys Judah in a rematch. Floyd's been in Zab's head since that ring altercation. Probably still is. Mayweather-Pacquiao has to happen (he said again, as if a mantra)...

[binnie]

It will happen once Floyd and Roger's legal troubles are set aside.

Pacquiao-Marquez III will probably be next. Not sure about Marquez's chances over 140.

[Dave's Bitch]

Pacquiao-Marquez III is supposed to be in november,Should be good

Flloyd aint got no excuses now

http://www.nowboxing.com/2011/05/manny-pacquiao-urine-testing-for-hgh-is-now-here-no-more-excuses-for-floyd/18225/

[Dave's Bitch]

I'm sure Bhop has a game plan to weather the early storm this time.

Pascall could be a really great fighter if he ditched his Roy Jones fixation and got some stamina. He really has the potential to be the man at 175, until Andre Ward, Carl Froch and/or Mikkel Kessler move up that is.

PREDICTION TIME
Bhop takes it,First title defence againts Donovan Mcnabb

[Dave's Bitch]

OPINIONS

Heavyweight boxing right now is stuck in a rutt,being dominated by the Klitscho bro's.They have pretty much owned everyone and there is nobody other than Haye who could be a genuine contender.Do these guys need to fight or what.They are both sat comfy on the top of the heavyweight hill with thier titles with nobody to pose a genuine threat to them.I know they are brother's so i can understand not wanting to spend a night smashing a brother in the face,but hey who else is there?.When Wlad beats Haye (which lets face it probably will happen) he is gonna have what 3 title's,The only other one that really matters is held by Vitali.These guys need to fight each other,Answer the question on who is better (personally i think Vitali) and maybe take a look at stepping down.If nothing else imagine the pay out they could get

Thoughts?

[binnie]

The problem with two brothers fighting would be with regards to suspected match fixing - easy to sort out if it's in the family. They clearly do not want to fight one another too, which I completely understand. Vitali smashes Wlad all over the ring if it were to happen, by the way.

Heavyweight boxing certainly is in a rut. I don't blame to Klits, however. They fight EVERYONE, and they KO most of them - have any fighters ever had higher KO percentages yet being so interminably dull to watch? I think a lot of that dullness comes from their opposition, which never really pushes them. It's just so easy for those guys.

I think most fans would like to see an end to their reign now, however. Both brothers would have been a force in any era of boxing because of their sheer size and immense punching power. Vitali, in particular, could probably hang with anyone. Yet they are both beatable: doing so will really on speed, workrate and movement. Make these big guys work, land combinations and move. Not easy, but a lot smarter than standing in front of them and getting wacked all night. The problem with heavyweights, therefore, is not the champs but the contenders: Chris 'out of shape' Arreola, Tony 'the pussy' Thompson, Eddie 'I'm an overweight cruiserweight' Chambers, and Andre 'I won't step up' Povetkin are a disgrace. The rest of the guys are has-beens and never-weres: Hasim Rakmann and so on. The Klits can only fight wants in front of them.

Compare the speed, workrate and stamina of the last 'rut' era of heavyweight boxing (between Holmes and Tyson) and you'll see what I mean. Greg Page, Tony Tucker, Tony Tubbs, Pinklon Thomas, Trever Berbeck and 'Bonecrusher' Smith will not have a place near the top of the annals of heavyweight history - but those guys would have pushed the Klits at least; they would come prepared and keen to fight rather than showing up for a payday. Hell, Page and Tucker might even have stood a chance of causing an upset.

What we need now are contenders: young, fit, fast and motivated. You don't need to be 6'5" and 245lbs to step up. Matching weight with weight hasn't worked thus far in solving the Klitschko connundrum, and I doubt it will.

[sonrisa salvaje]

I have a bad feeling about the Pascal vs BHop rematch for two reasons. First, the fight is still in Canada. You would think that after BHop got a draw in a fight that most people saw him winning, Pascal would man up and come to Vegas to defend the belt. Evidently, he would not do it and Bernard's only choice was to take a rematch in Canada where he got robbed the first time. I would assume that the judges have been carefully assessed and agreed upon by both sides so lets hope the hometown advantage is negated. The other problem i see for Bernard is that Pascal is not going to come out and fight by the same gameplan that he did the first time. I'm sure he knows in his heart of hearts, especially if he has watched tape of the fight, Bernard got the better of him. I don't see Pascal coming out and laying back the way he did. I see him coming out aggressive and pushing the fight, thus keeping Bernard on the defensive. While Bernard is a great backwards fighter, the question then becomes can Bernard stay busy enough and throw enough punches to stay in the fight. It will also present more of a physical challenge for Bernard at his age trying to keep this young guy off of him. We all know that Pascal can maul you pretty quickly if he gets the slightest advantage.
Conclusion: my heart says BHop. My prediction is that Pascal wins by unanimous decision.

[sonrisa salvaje]

Zab has been mentally weak ever since. He crumbles in fights.

He has certainly looked better at 140 than 147, but he's yet to face a real elite fighter there. Floyd crushes him in a rematch.

Zab has great power, great speed and tons of skills. What stops him from being P4P is his mind.

Zab has actually been mentally weak and crumbling in fights since he fought Kostya Tszyu. I haven't seen any noticeable change to attribute to Floyd.

[binnie]

I have a bad feeling about the Pascal vs BHop rematch for two reasons. First, the fight is still in Canada. You would think that after BHop got a draw in a fight that most people saw him winning, Pascal would man up and come to Vegas to defend the belt. Evidently, he would not do it and Bernard's only choice was to take a rematch in Canada where he got robbed the first time. I would assume that the judges have been carefully assessed and agreed upon by both sides so lets hope the hometown advantage is negated. The other problem i see for Bernard is that Pascal is not going to come out and fight by the same gameplan that he did the first time. I'm sure he knows in his heart of hearts, especially if he has watched tape of the fight, Bernard got the better of him. I don't see Pascal coming out and laying back the way he did. I see him coming out aggressive and pushing the fight, thus keeping Bernard on the defensive. While Bernard is a great backwards fighter, the question then becomes can Bernard stay busy enough and throw enough punches to stay in the fight. It will also present more of a physical challenge for Bernard at his age trying to keep this young guy off of him. We all know that Pascal can maul you pretty quickly if he gets the slightest advantage.
Conclusion: my heart says BHop. My prediction is that Pascal wins by unanimous decision.

One would hope that Pascal will change his game plan. I think coming forward favours Bhop though, who will counter-punch him all night. The problem for Pascal is that he can't combine coming forward with a decent workrate for 12 rounds.

Agreed about the fight been in Canada though. I guess there weren't the $$$ to take it elsewhere.

[binnie]

Aside from Bhop-Pascal, Roy Jones is fighting at cruiserweight tommorrow night against Lebenev (sp.)

This fight has flown under the radar. These days I when I watch Roy I just hope that he doesn't get hurt.

[binnie]

Shit, Roy got KO'd bad in the last round. He was OK, but it looked brutal. God I hope Superman retires now: it's painful to watch a shadow of his former self getting beat up by guys he would have toyed with.

Whilst Calzaghe is undoubtedly the best 168 pounder ever, Roy was the best to fight at that weight; at 175, he has to be up there with the very best (I reckon he'd have given anyone fits at that weight.) I always wished he'd stayed at 160 for longer though - he could have been devastating there. But in terms of pure ability, he'd have to be on anyone's ATG list.

[jhale667]

Anyone else catch the Showtime (or was it HBO? it was late...lol) BHop/Pascal pre-fight interview/shouting match last night? BHop is in Pascal's head big time. Pascal came off like a scared, petulant child getting owned...at the end all he could say was "old man" over and over again...better watch out, old man might kick yer ass...

[lesfunk]

Old man did kick his ass