Randy Orton sucks donkey balls

[Anonymous]

Let`s face it, everyone has been ripping off Superstar Graham.

If you have bleached hair, a great physique or can cut a great promo then that means you.

I think that covers just about everyone.

What, nowadays? EXTREMELY FEW can cut a half-decent promo, let alone a grate one.

Cheers! :bottle:

[Mr Badguy]

What, nowadays? EXTREMELY FEW can cut a half-decent promo, let alone a grate one.

Cheers! :bottle:

Just one of the three things would do.

Superstar had all three but couldn`t wrestle, much like everyone since.

Vince loved him so much he became the blueprint for WWE "superstars".

[Anonymous]

Well, it's no wonder. Grate promos make it interesting. It's a promo that makes you like or hate a wrestler.

And good physique makes you believable. Yeah, it's not all, but it helps.

Then, there's selling. Hogan, who repeatedly admitted he ripped off Graham, even more than anyone, made his career out of selling. Yes, he was one of the worst wrestlers ever. But he could sell a punch like noone else. And he cut a mean promo, too.

I hate Hogan, but I'd rather see more like him, than all these new super-athletes who're just jumping around and can't carry a decent match if their lives depended on it.

Hogan vs. Andre at Wrestlemania III is a damn good match, considering what we see nowadays. And all it had was a Body Slam. That was it.

Cheers! :bottle:

[ForeverDLR/VH]

I loved Hogan and Warrior when I was a kid, they got over well with the fans back then!, WM 6 match Hogan vs Warrior classic Baby Face match and I thought was one of the few good matchies in either of their careers. Hogan's wrestling sucked, but great mic. guy and knows how to get the fans into his character. In the 80's. 90's the fans loved and adore him and in his NWO "Heel" days, fans hated his guts and got shit tossed at him with fans wanting to kill him!

[ForeverDLR/VH]

Yeah, the matches and promos are awesome.

Unfortunately the linking sections aren`t.

Let us have a Macho biography, Vince.

The guy only shagged your daughter, it`s all water under the bridge.

Macho didn't leave the WWE in the best of terms with Vince, there is more hate between Vince and Macho, than Hogan and even Bret Hart!

It took this many years for this DVD to be released with Macho's matches and it's all we will get. There won't probably be even a HOF induction for Macho ever.

I guess what’s new, Vince would screw his own wife and kids over if he could make a buck!

[ppg960]

WWE=Crap

Since The Rock and Stone Cold left it's been shit. I can't even stand to watch it. Watching Vince lie and BS on CNN after Benoit took his life and the family was an injustice. He has no morals and is just out for the mighty $$$. Could care less about the people working for him.

[ForeverDLR/VH]

According to Vince, Benoit didn't even exists, editing out all of his old videos. Just because his personal life sucked and he is a Asshole, he was still a great tech. wrestler.

[bueno bob]

They need to go back to what worked in the 80s. And I can prove it. WCW went with what worked with the WWF in the 80s back in the mid to late 90s and look at what happened - they almost put the WWF out of business. Well, prior to Kevin Nash taking over, anyway. WCW followed the WWFs 80s game plan to a T when the WWF wasn't doing it and they slaughtered the WWF every Monday for quite a while.

Pro wrestling right now is just at a stage where it doesn't really appeal to anybody anymore. Everybody in their 20s is longing for the good old days of Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock; everybody in their 30s is longing for the good old days of Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage; everybody in their 40s is longing for the good old days of Bob Backlund and Tito Santana; and so on...

The problem with wrestling is that it's biggest audience is and always will be kids and teenagers, and even they're beyond bored with the so-called "talent" roster. You look at it honestly and all you see in the main event are HHH, Batista, John Cena, Randy Orton, et al over and over and over and over and over and over...it's repetitive and it's boring. There's no main event excitement anymore. A major event with a title on the line used to be pretty big fucking news, but now? Now titles change hands every 2-4 weeks, so who cares who has a title anymore? Considering how quickly titles get dropped, there's no interest in a change. It'll just change again in 2 weeks, so who gives a shit, right?

It's been mentioned that, now that Vince has eaten up all the independent territories, he has essentially no smaller villages to rape and plunder. It's true. So much excitement regarding new additions to the WWF in the 80s came from these guys who a lot of the fans had no previous knowledge of outside of a non-WWF wrestling magazine, and it was exciting to see them come to the "big time". Now that Vince essentially owns it all (with the exception of TNA, which is basically WCW revisited at this point), there's only x amount of room to do anything with anybody.

Vince has pumped so much air time and promotional money into a few select dudes that he can hardly run the risk of dumping them in favor of putting cash and air time into developing new blood, it'll sink the ship and right now those few dudes at the top are basically all he has to keep the ship afloat at all. It wasn't always like that - I mean, fuck, how exciting was it when everybody was asking "How in the hell is anybody ever going to beat Honky Tonk Man? Every time he gets anywhere close to losing, he just gets disqualified or counted out..."? Point is, even undercard matches used to be really exciting. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts...Savage vs. Honky...Bigelow vs. One Man Gang...Beefcake vs. Valentine...undercard feuds actually MEANT something back then.

I mean, when the fuck's the last time you actually CARED about an Intercontinental title match? Really? Or any other undercard match? The time and effort required to create a good, interesting feud just isn't done anymore. And beyond that, the so-called "talent" of today can't work the mic. A true professional wrestler is an actor first and a ring technician second. It's what's required, and the WWE has forgotten about that somewhere down the road, because these dudes CANNOT sell it.

Unless some other federation springs up that has the finances to compete directly with the WWE and presents something exciting again, much like the WCW did, I honestly get the feeling that professional wrestling is going to die a slow, painful death over the next ten years. When you can't sell your feuds, your talent can't act it, and there's no value in title changes anymore, you're in trouble.

[Anonymous]

They need to go back to what worked in the 80s. And I can prove it. WCW went with what worked with the WWF in the 80s back in the mid to late 90s and look at what happened - they almost put the WWF out of business. Well, prior to Kevin Nash taking over, anyway. WCW followed the WWFs 80s game plan to a T when the WWF wasn't doing it and they slaughtered the WWF every Monday for quite a while.

Pro wrestling right now is just at a stage where it doesn't really appeal to anybody anymore. Everybody in their 20s is longing for the good old days of Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock; everybody in their 30s is longing for the good old days of Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage; everybody in their 40s is longing for the good old days of Bob Backlund and Tito Santana; and so on...

The problem with wrestling is that it's biggest audience is and always will be kids and teenagers, and even they're beyond bored with the so-called "talent" roster. You look at it honestly and all you see in the main event are HHH, Batista, John Cena, Randy Orton, et al over and over and over and over and over and over...it's repetitive and it's boring. There's no main event excitement anymore. A major event with a title on the line used to be pretty big fucking news, but now? Now titles change hands every 2-4 weeks, so who cares who has a title anymore? Considering how quickly titles get dropped, there's no interest in a change. It'll just change again in 2 weeks, so who gives a shit, right?

It's been mentioned that, now that Vince has eaten up all the independent territories, he has essentially no smaller villages to rape and plunder. It's true. So much excitement regarding new additions to the WWF in the 80s came from these guys who a lot of the fans had no previous knowledge of outside of a non-WWF wrestling magazine, and it was exciting to see them come to the "big time". Now that Vince essentially owns it all (with the exception of TNA, which is basically WCW revisited at this point), there's only x amount of room to do anything with anybody.

Vince has pumped so much air time and promotional money into a few select dudes that he can hardly run the risk of dumping them in favor of putting cash and air time into developing new blood, it'll sink the ship and right now those few dudes at the top are basically all he has to keep the ship afloat at all. It wasn't always like that - I mean, fuck, how exciting was it when everybody was asking "How in the hell is anybody ever going to beat Honky Tonk Man? Every time he gets anywhere close to losing, he just gets disqualified or counted out..."? Point is, even undercard matches used to be really exciting. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts...Savage vs. Honky...Bigelow vs. One Man Gang...Beefcake vs. Valentine...undercard feuds actually MEANT something back then.

I mean, when the fuck's the last time you actually CARED about an Intercontinental title match? Really? Or any other undercard match? The time and effort required to create a good, interesting feud just isn't done anymore. And beyond that, the so-called "talent" of today can't work the mic. A true professional wrestler is an actor first and a ring technician second. It's what's required, and the WWE has forgotten about that somewhere down the road, because these dudes CANNOT sell it.

Unless some other federation springs up that has the finances to compete directly with the WWE and presents something exciting again, much like the WCW did, I honestly get the feeling that professional wrestling is going to die a slow, painful death over the next ten years. When you can't sell your feuds, your talent can't act it, and there's no value in title changes anymore, you're in trouble.

Well, that just about sums it up, really... I don't think there's anything to add.

Egads, it's boring these days...

Grate post, Bobster.

Cheers! :bottle:

[houseofpain]

Vince has no competition anymore, so he feels he doesn’t have to work as hard. TNA is the next step down and they don’t have the money and the writers don’t know how to utilize the talent and up and comers they do have! Vince keeps trying to milk and pump money into john Cena, HHH, Bastia, Randy Orton, etc it keeps guys with talent such as MVP, Jack Swigger, Jeff Hardy, Edge, Y2J and CM Punk under and from getting a break to the top. I feel these guys go out and work harder than any of Vince’s Top guys do, have more talent and they get over better with the fans! Of course we know HHH is banging Stephanie. If you want to relive the good ole wrestling days get WWE 24/7/on demand to watch matches from the 70’s, 80,s and 90’s and reruns of Raw and Nitro “Monday Night Wars”.

I like TNA because they have some serious talent like AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Beer Money, Inc. and others, but let me introduce you guys to writing a sow with TNA creative (aka Vince Russo): That 4 Horseman thing worked, so we're going to do it, except we'll use 4 World Champions and call it the main event mafia. Let's have some Divas take most of their clothes off, shake their asses, grab their fake tits, and act like they are going to make out with each other. Later, we'll have a big fat ugly chick come beat the hell out of all of them, and drop them all on their fake titties! We should cut a promo, and since everyone knows its Jarrett's organization, we should have one or more of the wrestlers bitch about Jeff holding them back. In the main event, we're going to put the title, steel chair, coalminers glove, nail gun, bra and panties, keys to a Mick's office, what the fuck ever, on a pole and whoever climbs it gets it/;gets to use it. Somewhere in the middle, we should put 2 up and coming guys together in a tag match and see if we can get those foreigners to put them over.

[ppg960]

Ufc-

I wonder how much the UFC is cutting into their business?
It's pretty much KO'ed boxing-who watches that anymore?
All I ever follow is the UFC or WEC now. Bodog fight is decent as well.

[bueno bob]

I like TNA because they have some serious talent like AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Beer Money, Inc. and others, but let me introduce you guys to writing a sow with TNA creative (aka Vince Russo): That 4 Horseman thing worked, so we're going to do it, except we'll use 4 World Champions and call it the main event mafia. Let's have some Divas take most of their clothes off, shake their asses, grab their fake tits, and act like they are going to make out with each other. Later, we'll have a big fat ugly chick come beat the hell out of all of them, and drop them all on their fake titties! We should cut a promo, and since everyone knows its Jarrett's organization, we should have one or more of the wrestlers bitch about Jeff holding them back. In the main event, we're going to put the title, steel chair, coalminers glove, nail gun, bra and panties, keys to a Mick's office, what the fuck ever, on a pole and whoever climbs it gets it/;gets to use it. Somewhere in the middle, we should put 2 up and coming guys together in a tag match and see if we can get those foreigners to put them over.

...In other words, it's WCW all over again...