OZZY: "I'm Sorry"

[tomballin]

Originally posted by Full Bug
He was more interesting when he was snorting ants....

Hey, don't screw with Ozzy, he's J.R. Ewing's evil twin brother, lol.



Ozzy Oil Osbourne in the video:

"The Ultimate Sin"

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[bueno bob]

Musically, Sabbath was superior with Dio at the helm. Ronnie knew how to bring out the very best in Iommi and Butler, and he helped evolve their sound to the next reasonable stage...had Ozzy stayed on past 1979, 1980 would have resulted in "Never Say Die Vol. 2: The Revenge", and I think that's something that EVERY Sabbath fan could have passed on easily.

Ronnie was just what Sabbath needed at exactly the right time - a REAL lead vocalist (meaning: one capable of writing his own lyrics), and a musician too (let's not forget that Ronnie is a talented bassist and keyboardist as well), so Ronnie knew how to shape the music and create the best possible atmosphere for Sabbath, both musically and lyrically.

Did he bring Rainbow to Sabbath? Sure. Ron did an almost about face from Elf when he joined on with Blackmore, but even Elf was kinda starting to hint at where Ronnie was going - a heavier sound (for example, pick up a copy or download the Elf songs "Black Swampy Water" and/or "Wonderworld" - they're both almost blueprints to the eventual "Dio Sound").

As far as Ozzy's concerned today, he's writing off a new Sabbath album one minute and promising a new one the next, he flits back and forth with his answers from week to week, so who knows where it's going to go...I think there might be some potential for a new Sabbath album with Ozzy fronting, but it's not going to be outstanding; I think Iommi and Geezer will channel the music into a heavier direction and Ozzy's branched out into so many different offshoots musically, I don't think it'll mesh really well.

I have to say that the best possible option for Iommi, Butler, Ward and Osbourne at this point is this:

Ozzy should continue on solo. He's not going to do great business, but he knows that, Sony knows that, and he just work in relative obscurity (at least by comparison to the pinnacle of his solo career) until he dies, period.

Geezer Butler should focus on his g//z/r project full time - it's fast, it's heavy, it's outstandingly good (btw, his "Ohmwork" album is due very soon!)

Bill...who cares what he does...

And for Tony? I'd love to see him continue recording, but not with Glenn Hughs. There are worse choices he could make (do you hear me, Kelly Keeling?) in the Deep Purple flavored family, but I think a solo Iommi is better served by either following the format of multiple lead singers (and THEN use Glenn Hughs for touring purposes, if need be) or finding someone more in the direct vein of the music to sing it and write it with (such as, I don't know...Lee Dorrian, Christian Linderson, Scott Weinrich, Messiah Marcolin maybe...somebody who understands what SLOW and HEAVY and DOOMY is supposed to be out, because Glenn Hughs doesn't). If the next Iommi/Hughs full length is good, I'll eat my hat, but the 96 DEP Sessions are any indication, I don't expect much...still, with Iommi, anything's possible so I'll judge when it lands.

If there's any Sabbath activity on the horizon, frankly, I think it needs to be a process of Tony and Geezer calling Ronnie and Vinny and doing a 4th album, maybe another live album, then calling it a day. If Ronnie turns the offer down (which I really don't think he will, considering the kind things he's had to say about Iommi lately), call up Tony Martin and run it out.

Ozzy...I just can't see him contributing anything productive to a future Sabbath project, not at this stage in the game.

[Panamark]

One day all you non-original lineup bastards will figure it out !

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Don't fook with Japanese Ozzy Fans. Funny video, Japanese Ozzy Fans Interviewed. Why do you like Ozzy? - 4:32 Minutes

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Video: Ozzy Osbourne: In My Life (2005)
Cue the archival footage of the Ozz-man in all his awe-inspiring
insanity looking back on his Vida Loca.

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[FORD]

Originally posted by Vivian Campbell

Now THAT had to be one of the most tension-filled moments in rock n roll history!

Where's that pic from? Did DIO play US '83? Ozzy's mullet looks like it's from that era, since it was the outgrowth of his recently shaved head.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Vivian Campbell
I know music is all a matter of taste, but I can't see how ANYONE can listen to Paranoid, Vol 4, and Technical Ecstasy followed by Heaven & Hell, Mob Rules, and Dehumanizer, and tell me that, vocally, lyrically and guitar wise, the Ozzy days were better.

I'll definitely give you "Dehumanizer" over "Technical Ecstasy", but there's no way "Heaven & Hell" beats "Paranoid". And I believe that Vol 4 is very underrated though I haven't listened to Mob Rules in a while.

I will say this though... "Live Evil" was definitely a better album than "Speak of the Devil"

[katie]

Originally posted by FORD

I will say this though... "Live Evil" was definitely a better album than "Speak of the Devil"

So you prefer Dio signing Ozzy songs more than Ozzy?
Strange.............

[Panamark]

I still say Blizzard and Diary crap all over the DIO/Sabbath albums.
(Im sure one Randy Rhoads has a lot to do with that)

BTW, Im a fan of DIO and Sabbath...

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by katie
So you prefer Dio signing Ozzy songs more than Ozzy?
Strange.............

One of the original problems Geezer had with Ronnie was that, according to Geezer, Ronnie "gothed up" Ozzy's material on Live Evil too much. I don't really see it as a matter of that, I just think Ronnie added his own spin on the songs and gave them a different sort of delivery.

I don't think he's saying that he prefers Dio singing Ozzy's material (although, truth be told, Ronnie's about 3000 times the vocalist that Ozzy ever was); I think it's more of a comment on the music and the production, delivery, et al. "Speak of the Devil" was tanked by Brad Gillis' paper-thin guitar work and the traditional heavy sound of Sabbath was completely absent...."Live Evil", while a shitty mix (and that's a whole new can of worms right there), at least had Tony Iommi's trademark oppressive riffs and heaviness.

I would agree; "Speak of the Devil" was wrecked by the complete lack of guitar presence on the part of Brad Gillis and the whole album just sounds hollow because there's so little to his playing, but, that's just me and that's what I took from it....

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Panamark
I still say Blizzard and Diary crap all over the DIO/Sabbath albums.
(Im sure one Randy Rhoads has a lot to do with that)

BTW, Im a fan of DIO and Sabbath...

For me, Blizzard, Diary, Heaven & Hell and Mob Rules are both pretty diverse from each other, musically...it's very difficult for me to compare them to each other and judge one set of albums over the other. I love both Blizzard and Diary, true, but I also love H&H and Mob Rules just as equally...

[katie]

Originally posted by bueno bob
One of the original problems Geezer had with Ronnie was that, according to Geezer, Ronnie "gothed up" Ozzy's material on Live Evil too much. I don't really see it as a matter of that, I just think Ronnie added his own spin on the songs and gave them a different sort of delivery.

I don't think he's saying that he prefers Dio singing Ozzy's material (although, truth be told, Ronnie's about 3000 times the vocalist that Ozzy ever was); I think it's more of a comment on the music and the production, delivery, et al. "Speak of the Devil" was tanked by Brad Gillis' paper-thin guitar work and the traditional heavy sound of Sabbath was completely absent...."Live Evil", while a shitty mix (and that's a whole new can of worms right there), at least had Tony Iommi's trademark oppressive riffs and heaviness.

I would agree; "Speak of the Devil" was wrecked by the complete lack of guitar presence on the part of Brad Gillis and the whole album just sounds hollow because there's so little to his playing, but, that's just me and that's what I took from it....

Thats a fair point you make there.
I remember back in *the* day when 'Speak' first came out,
We thought this was *THE* LP as at the time as there was only the crappy *Live At last* available by Sabbath and *Speak* just blew it apart!

You raise some very good points.
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Katie

[katie]

I must admit though,
Over the years i have grown to LOVE 'Live At Last' as i just LOVE live Sabbath!

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by katie
I must admit though,
Over the years i have grown to LOVE 'Live At Last' as i just LOVE live Sabbath!

"Live at Last" was an acquired taste for me, also...it took some time (and finally some decent packaging as a direct album, back in...'97? '98? Can't remember) for it to actually grow on me a bit.

Stacking up "Live at Last" to "Speak of the Devil" back in the day, though, I can definitely see the comparison and see how you'd come to that reaction...I had a hatred of "Live at Last" since it was just one of those crappy record label issue things and not an official release from Sabbath, erego it didn't really do them any benefit to be out there...and the impression I got from Sabbath as a live act was that they often meandered and spent an undue amount of time tuning on stage! Which, of course, wasn't really the case, but with that being the only readily available live Sabbath documentation for a while (at least two years), you had what you had.

[bueno bob]

BTW, 5 star for you for taste in Sabbath