Def Leppard gets busy on "menacing" new album

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  • Steve Savicki
    • Jan 2004
    • 3937

    #31
    Originally posted by katie
    A very boring band indeed.
    Did they become boring when Steve Clark passed away?
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    • binnie
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • May 2006
      • 19145

      #32
      Originally posted by Steve Savicki
      Did they become boring when Steve Clark passed away?
      Steve was definately the rock n roll in that band.

      But I'd say Mutt's overproduction was the source of the tedium in that band...
      The Power Of The Riff Compels Me

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      • Ellyllions
        Veteran
        • Mar 2006
        • 2012

        #33
        In my mind, we don't get to choose which guitarists have been best for that band. Steve left on his own accord.

        Might sound harsh, I don't find dead musicians great just because they're dead. Not saying that's what's going on here, but Phil and Viv are really good guitarists by their own right.

        Lots of people follow Steve alongside, Dimebag Darrell, as well as Kirk Cobain and Michael Hutchence; just because they died in their prime. Whereas if they didn't particularly stand out to me when they were alive, I don't instantly become a fan just because they're gone.

        I respect them all equally as musicians. But I can't discount the work of the living just because they lost a member to a tragedy.
        "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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        • binnie
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • May 2006
          • 19145

          #34
          Viv is the best guitar player ever to have been in that band, he's just never been allowed to show it.

          I don't think that Steve Clark was an amazing player, but he had more feeling, more dirt, grit and edge than technicians like Phil Collins, who could probably have played circles around him....
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          • CROWBAR
            Commando
            • Sep 2004
            • 1283

            #35
            Phil Collens is a sterile, bland guitar player who does nothing for me. Steve Clark picked up some slack after Pete Willis got fired, but their best rock was made by him without a doubt. High And Dry is really their only true rock album. The others are pop fluff. Vivian Campbell was castrated upon joining Def Lep. Sad really, as he is a good guitar player. He proved that with Dio. They sold out and became a chicks band with Sugar. Blah! And I don't imagine this latest release will be anything different either. Pass.

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            • Ellyllions
              Veteran
              • Mar 2006
              • 2012

              #36
              Ever notice that most musicians do their best work drunk?

              Of course when they sober up, they deny that fact. But you think about truly good music (even the likes of CVH)....it was the best of the worst times in their sobriety chapter.

              I couldn't imagine having to usher a bandmate to the stage forcefully the way Joe had to with Steve Clark. To do that had to make being in that band sheer torture.
              "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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              • Ellyllions
                Veteran
                • Mar 2006
                • 2012

                #37
                Originally posted by CROWBAR
                Phil Collens is a sterile, bland guitar player who does nothing for me. Steve Clark picked up some slack after Pete Willis got fired, but their best rock was made by him without a doubt. High And Dry is really their only true rock album. The others are pop fluff. Vivian Campbell was castrated upon joining Def Lep. Sad really, as he is a good guitar player. He proved that with Dio. They sold out and became a chicks band with Sugar. Blah! And I don't imagine this latest release will be anything different either. Pass.
                You think Pyromania was girl pop fluff?

                Wow, I don't believe I've ever heard anyone say that before.
                "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                • binnie
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • May 2006
                  • 19145

                  #38
                  Hysteria was pop-girl fluff.

                  Just like Slippery When Wet.....
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                  • Ellyllions
                    Veteran
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 2012

                    #39
                    Amen Binnie
                    Amen
                    "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                    • CROWBAR
                      Commando
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 1283

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Ellyllions
                      You think Pyromania was girl pop fluff?

                      Wow, I don't believe I've ever heard anyone say that before.
                      Maybe not pop fluff, but the songs from it were definitely made for the MTV crowd back then. And radio single(s)

                      I guess I like a harder edge to the music Elly.

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                      • Ellyllions
                        Veteran
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 2012

                        #41
                        I'll give you Photograph.

                        But the rest of the album is quite amazing to my ears.

                        To each his/her own babe.

                        ETA: I do remember Joe Elliot saying that when MTV was born they wanted on it ASAP. His words were this, "We're more like Duran Duran..."

                        "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                        • WARF
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 15347

                          #42
                          Here comes Hysteria 2 ANYONE?

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                          • Ellyllions
                            Veteran
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 2012

                            #43
                            Nah, I'll pass on Hysteria 2, 3.

                            I'll take one "Pyromania II" to go please. And SuperSize it.
                            "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                            • CROWBAR
                              Commando
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 1283

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Ellyllions
                              I'll give you Photograph.

                              But the rest of the album is quite amazing to my ears.

                              To each his/her own babe.

                              ETA: I do remember Joe Elliot saying that when MTV was born they wanted on it ASAP. His words were this, "We're more like Duran Duran..."
                              Agreed!

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                              • Steve Savicki
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 3937

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Ellyllions Ever notice that most musicians do their best work drunk?
                                I guess drugs overdo the best work.
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