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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49335

    He also said that the Edge didn't know how to play chords in the beginning which is also bullshit Whatever you say about the Edge is he played chords for BB King. Gene Simmons never even smelled BB's asscrack!

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    • Terry
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jan 2004
      • 12045

      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
      He mentions Gene being a solid bass player and his early album work being an example of how he could be a good bassist. But didn't they often have other guys record their album parts? Paul and Gene at least?
      I'm not sure about how often Gene and Paul had others playing their guitar and bass parts on the albums. I'm thinking perhaps on the Ace tracks on Dynasty and Unmasked, where maybe Ace did all the guitars and bass.
      Scramby eggs and bacon.

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      • twonabomber
        formerly F A T
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Jan 2004
        • 11263

        Bob Kulick did a lot of session work for Kiss.

        There's a site (not wiki) that lists who played what on the albums but I can't think of the site name.
        Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 59141

          Originally posted by Terry
          I'm not sure about how often Gene and Paul had others playing their guitar and bass parts on the albums. I'm thinking perhaps on the Ace tracks on Dynasty and Unmasked, where maybe Ace did all the guitars and bass.
          Wikipedia says Ace played bass on three songs on each of those records. And also three songs on "The Elder". The next record after that (Creatures of the Night) Ace didn't play bass OR guitar at all, but replacement drummer Eric Carr played bass on one track & there were session guys playing bass on two other songs.

          I didn't look beyond that, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that Chaim was barely in the studio at all on some of those 80s alleged "Kiss" albums.
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          • Mushroom
            Commando
            • Jul 2009
            • 1134

            Who Played What On What: KISSMONSTER.COM

            Here you go. It's on the internet so it has to be true!

            https://www.kissmonster.com/reference/who_played.php


            KISS (1974)
            Nothin' To Lose - Bruce Foster on piano, Bobby on hand-claps

            HOTTER THAN HELL (1974)
            No substitutions/extras currently known, however...
            Parasite - Ace is rumored to play bass

            DRESSED TO KILL (1975)
            Ladies In Waiting - Gene Simmons on guitar
            C'mon And Love Me - Paul Stanley on lead guitar on intro

            DESTROYER (1976)
            Beth - Dick Wagner on acoustic guitar
            Great Expectations - Brooklyn Boys Choir on backing vocals
            Detroit Rock City - Paul and Ace share lead guitar, Bob Ezrin as news-reader
            ** Bob said it was him, Gene has said it was Bob (Regardless of who YOU think it sounds like)
            Flaming Youth - Dick Wagner guitar overdubs; Bob Ezrin caliope
            Sweet Pain - Dick Wagner on guitar solo; Tasha Thomas & Carl Hall on backing vocals
            God Of Thunder - David and Josh Ezrin as kiddie voices

            ROCK AND ROLL OVER (1976)
            See You In Your Dreams - Gene Simmons on rhythm guitar
            I Want You - Paul Stanley on lead guitar
            Ladies Room - Gene Simmons on guitar
            Hard Luck Woman - Paul Stanley on acoustic 12 string guitar

            LOVE GUN (1977)
            I Stole Your Love - Paul and Ace share lead guitar on solo
            Christine Sixteen - Gene Simmons on guitar and piano
            Got Love For Sale - Gene Simmons on guitar
            Love Gun - Paul Stanley on bass and all guitars except solo
            Hooligan - Paul Stanley on end solo
            Almost Human - Gene Simmons on rhythm guitar, Jimmy Maelin on congas
            Plaster Caster - Gene Simmons on guitar
            Then She Kissed Me - Paul Stanley on lead guitar
            ** Background vocalists, The KISSettes: Tasha Thomas, Ray Simpson, and Hilda Harris

            ALIVE II SIDE 4 (1977)
            All American Man - Bob Kulick on lead guitar
            Rockin' In The USA - Bob Kulick on lead guitar
            Larger Than Life - Bob Kulick on lead guitar
            Rocket Ride - Ace Frehley on bass
            Any Way You Want It - Paul Stanley on lead guitar
            ** The KISS box set details that Rick Derringer played on "Larger Than Life." However, Rick's official discography omits this alleged contribution, while including his later work with the band ("Exciter"). Some also question the drummer...

            DOUBLE PLATINUM (1978)
            No substitutions/extras currently known
            ** It's been long rumored that Peter didn't play on the re-recording of "Strutter '78," but it certainly wasn't Anton Fig.

            DYNASTY (1979)
            I Was Made For Lovin' You - Anton Fig on drums, Vini Poncia on keyboards & backing vocals
            2,000 Man - Anton Fig on drums, Ace Frehley on bass
            Sure Know Something - Anton Fig on drums, Paul Stanley on guitar solo, Vini Poncia on backing vocals
            Dirty Livin' - Peter Criss on drums & lead vocals
            Magic touch - Anton Fig on drums, Paul Stanley on bass
            Hard Times - Anton Fig on drums, Ace Frehley on bass
            X-Ray Eyes - Anton Fig on drums
            Charisma - Anton Fig on drums
            Save Your Love - Anton Fig on drums, Ace Frehley on bass
            ** Richie Fontana drums on NOTHING.

            UNMASKED (1980)
            Is That You? - Anton Fig on drums, Paul Stanley on guitar solo
            Shandi - Anton Fig on drums, Tom Harper on bass, Holly Knight on keyboards, Paul Stanley on lead guitar
            Talk To Me - Anton Fig on drums, Ace Frehley on bass & lead trout
            Naked City - Anton Fig on drums
            What Makes The World Go 'Round - Anton Fig on drums, Paul Stanley on lead guitar
            Tomorrow - Anton Fig on drums, Paul Stanley on bass
            Two Sides Of The Coin - Anton Fig on drums, Ace Frehley on bass
            She's So European - Anton Fig on drums
            Easy As It Seems - Anton Fig on drums, Paul Stanley on bass and guitar solo
            Torpedo Girl - Anton Fig on drums, Ace Frehley on bass
            You're All That I Want - Anton Fig on drums, Gene Simmons on rhythm guitar, Paul Stanley on lead guitar
            ** Vini Poncia plays keyboards, percussion, and sings backing vocals throughout the album; Anton Fig drums on all tracks...

            MUSIC FROM "THE ELDER" (1981)
            The Oath - Paul Stanley on lead guitar, Ace Frehley on bass
            Just A Boy - presumed session player on lead guitar
            A World Without Heroes - Paul Stanley on lead guitar
            Dark Light - Ace Frehley on bass
            Escape From The Island - Bob Ezrin on bass
            I - Allan Schwartzberg on drums
            Odyssey - Allan Schwartzberg on drums, Tony Powers on keyboards
            Only You - Gene Simmons on rhythm guitar
            The Summoning - Robert Christie & Anthony Parr as spoken voices
            ** Bob Ezrin performs additional keyboards and percussion throughout.

            KILLERS (1982)
            Nowhere To Run - Bob Kulick on lead guitar
            Partners In Crime - Bob Kulick on lead guitar; Paul Stanley on bass
            Down On Your Knees - Bob Kulick on lead guitar, Mikel Japp on guitar, Paul Stanley on bass
            I'm A Legend Tonight - Bob Kulick on lead guitar; Paul Stanley on bass

            CREATURES OF THE NIGHT (1982)
            Creatures Of The Night - Unknown (pos. Mike Porcaro) on bass; Steve Farris on lead guitar; Adam Mitchell on guitar
            Danger - Jimmy Haslip on bass
            I Still Love You - Robben Ford on lead guitar; Eric Carr on bass
            Rock And Roll Hell - Robben Ford on lead guitar; Jimmy Haslip on bass
            War Machine - Gene Simmons on rhythm guitar
            ** Other session players on this album may even include Bruce Kulick! Bob Kulick did record guitar parts for the album, but his work wasn't used. Vincent Cusano is the album's primary guitarist.

            LICK IT UP (1983)
            Exciter - Rick Derringer on guitar solo

            ANIMALIZE (1984)
            Thrills In The Night - Jean Beauvoir on bass & backing vocals
            Get All You Can Take - Jean Beauvoir on bass & backing vocals; Mitch Weissman on ryhthm guitar
            Under The Gun - Jean Beauvoir on bass & backing vocals
            Heaven's On Fire - Paul Stanley on bass
            I've Had Enough (Into The Fire) - Paul Stanley on bass
            Lonely Is The Hunter - Bruce Kulick on guitar solo
            Murder In High Heels - Bruce Kulick on guitar; Mitch Weissman on bass
            While The City Sleeps - Mitch Weissman on ryhthm guitar
            ** Alan Schwartzberg performed additional drum fills, and Desmond Child backing vocals, on some tracks...

            ASYLUM (1985)
            Tears Are Falling - Paul Stanley on bass
            Uh! All Night - Jean Beauvoir on bass
            ** Alan Schwartzberg performed additional drum fills on some tracks...

            CRAZY NIGHTS (1987)
            Hell Or High Water - Bruce Kulick on bass
            ** Both Phil Ashley and Paul Stanley perform keyboards on the album; Tom Kelly sings backing vocals...

            SMASHES, THRASHES & HITS (1988)
            No substitutions/extras currently known.

            HOT IN THE SHADE (1989)
            Rise To It - Paul Stanley on slide guitar
            Betrayed - Tommy Thayer plays some acoustic & electric guitars
            The Street Giveth, And The Street Taketh Away - Tommy Thayer plays some acoustic & electric guitars
            Little Caesar - Eric Carr on bass/vocals, Bruce Kulick on all guitars
            Forever - Bruce Kulick on bass, Phil Ashley on keyboards
            Prisoner Of Love - Jesse Damon on backing vocals
            Hide Your Heart - Phil Ashley on keyboards
            Silver Spoon - Charlotte Crossley, Valerie Pinkston, and Kim Edwards-Brown on backing vocals
            Cadillac Dreams - Pat Regan and Paul Stanley on 'brass'
            Read My Body - Eric Singer is rumored to play drums
            King Of Hearts - Kevin Valentine is rumored to play drums
            You Love Me To Hate You - Kevin Valentine is rumored to play drums
            ** Since this album was comprised of "beefed" up demos, it is also suggested that Eric Singer appears on some of Paul's songs.

            REVENGE (1992)
            Unholy - Gene Simmons on "guitar scratches" intro
            Domino - Gene Simmons on rhythm guitar
            Every Time I Look At You - Bruce Kulick on bass; Paul Stanley on acoustic guitar; Dick Wagner on guitar solo
            Carr Jam 1981 - Eric Carr on rhythm guitar
            Take It Off - Kevin Valentine on drums
            Tough Love - Bruce Kulick on bass
            God Gave Rock And Roll To You II - Eric Carr on harmonies
            Several songs - Johnny Z on harmonica
            Several songs - Tommy Thayer, Jesse Damon, Jamie St. James, on backing vocals

            CARNIVAL OF SOULS (1995)
            I Will Be There - Bruce Kulick on bass
            Rain - Bruce Kulick on bass
            Master & Slave - Bruce Kulick on bass
            Jungle - Bruce Kulick on bass
            It Never Goes Away - Bruce Kulick on bass
            I Walk Alone - Bruce Kulick on bass & lead vocals
            In The Mirror - Bruce Kulick on bass

            PSYCHO CIRCUS (1998)
            Psycho Circus - Bruce Kulick on bass
            We Are One - Paul Stanley on bass; Gene Simmons on guitar
            I Finally Found My Way - Bruce Kulick on bass; Shelly Berg on acoustic piano; Bob Ezrin on Fender Rhodes
            I Pledge Allegiance - Bruce Kulick on bass on chorus
            Within - Bruce Kulick on backwards guitar intro
            You Wanted The Best - Ace Frehley on guitar solo
            Dreamin' - Bruce Kulick on rhythm guitar
            Journey Of 1,000 Years - Shelly Berg on acoustic piano
            ** It's pretty obvious that there are other players on the album, mainly Tommy Thayer (providing the majority of lead guitar) and Kevin Valentine (drums). The only song the original four members play on is "Into The Void"...

            DETROIT ROCK CITY OST (1999)
            Nothing Can Keep Me From You - Bruce Kulick on bass; Steve Ferrone on drums; guitarist unknown.

            WE'RE A HAPPY FAMILY, A TRIBUTE TO THE RAMONES (2003)
            Do You Remember Rock 'N Roll Radio - Gene Simmons on bass/vocals; Paul Stanley on guitar/vocals; Eric Singer on drums; Scott Paige on saxophone; Derek Sherinian on keyboards

            SONIC BOOM (2009)
            No substitutions/extras currently known.

            MONSTER (2012)
            No substitutions/extras currently known.
            Last edited by Mushroom; 07-20-2023, 11:46 PM.

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 59141

              Disco Dynasty.... now with even more disco.....

              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49335

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                • Terry
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 12045

                  That link Mushroom posted all sounds about right, which is to say it all certainly sounds plausible and much of which had been confirmed by the band in several biographies.

                  For most of what I'd consider the classic Kiss records - basically the first album through Love Gun - not a ton of guest appearances or instances where people outside the band appeared...certainly not relative to Dynasty going forward. Some instances of, say, Paul or Gene or Ace doing guitar and bass on tracks they solely authored.
                  Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49335

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59141

                      So...

                      Paul likes dick

                      Ace likes Hitler

                      Gene likes money

                      So... basically nothing new here. Guess she didn't have anything bad to say about Peter?
                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • twonabomber
                        formerly F A T
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 11263

                        KISS at the Australian Football League Grand Final

                        Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 59141

                          The insanity of taking a 17 hour plane flight to lipsync a fucking disco song.
                          Eat Us And Smile

                          Cenk For America 2024!!

                          Justice Democrats


                          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                          • twonabomber
                            formerly F A T
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 11263

                            Just looked at what tickets are available for their "final" show here...$25 in the very last rows of the arena. Plenty of unsold tickets, even on the floor. Decent seats for $100 too.
                            Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35441

                              Not even good miming. :D

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                              • Rikk
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 16518

                                I content myself with taking out videos of LARGO '77 and COBO HALL '75. I get more pleasure out of watching these in my home theater than paying a fortune to see a band lip-sync their music while claiming that their original lead guitarist could not cut it today even though he still plays actually live shows.
                                Roth Army Militia

                                Originally posted by WARF
                                Rikk - The new school of the Roth Army... this dude leads the pack... three words... The Sheep Pen... this dude opened alot of doors for people during this new era... he's the best of the new school.

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