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[bueno bob]

I don't know... if Paul Stanley came up with the ankh make-up design and Gene came up with the name Vinnie Vincent how could Vinnie own the rights to it... doesn't make sense to me.

At that point, it has to be established that Paul and Gene came up with those things. If they did, Vin doesn't have much of a case; if they didn't and the name and makeup are his own ideas, well...that's something else.

[atomicpunk5151]

I am probably 50/50 on seeing KISS in Sacramento,CA in November.

I will probably wait untill I see a few setlists or bootleg videos to judge.

I saw them on the reunion tours in 96-97 as well as a few times after. Might be entertaining just for a night out and nothing more.

[indeedido]

Fuck...if Vinnie owns it...use it and pay him for it.

It's part of the bands history.

Otherwise...November...should I go or not.

Most likely will...I have never seen Kiss live.

And sadly if you do go, you can still say you've never seen KISS live.

[atomicpunk5151]

Does he?

I ask because I remember a story of VV appearing at a KISS convention a few years back in full costume & make-up... Gene arrived and after a brief discussion VV reappeared without full costume and make-up.

I think Walker is right on this one.

Vinnie's make-up was designed by Paul Stanley, and continued the mystic theme of the costume. It was a golden ankh (an ancient Egyptian cross) across Vinnie's forehead, and down the bridge of his nose. Black make-up around the eyes, and black lipstick completed the most short-lived make-up in the history of KISS (aside from Eric's Hawk and Paul's Bandit make-up, that is). In Kiss the last time he wore the make-up was at the Brazilian shows in 1983. He did put back on the make-up for 2 unofficial Kiss-Expos in March 1996 in Atlanta, GA (USA) and Stockholm, Sweden (see B/W-picture from Stockholm of him with a Tribute band on stage). As soon as Kiss found out, their lawyers stopped him to appear in make-up immediately.


also this from GENE:

"I named Vincent Cusano, "Vinnie Vincent." That's the only gift he's allowed. It's interesting that Vinnie hasn't changed his name back to Vinnie Cusano. Vinnie, for the record, was fired for unethical behavior, not because of lack of talent. The guy is very talented. He was unethical. He was fired. ”
—Gene Simmons

[Mr Walker]

Vinnie Vincent - Former Member of KISS

Q. Did Gene name you Vinnie Vincent?
A. Yes he did. That is the truth. You have to imagine where my head was at that time. I was in the framework of the idea of me joining 'the other band' was too big for anybody's imagination. That happens to other people. That doesn't happen to me. When they finally said you're in, I thought am I dreaming? Gene said, 'You know Vinnie Vincent would be a great name.' And I said, ‘Wow that is great!' (Laughs).

[Mr Walker]

also this from GENE:

"I named Vincent Cusano, "Vinnie Vincent." That's the only gift he's allowed. It's interesting that Vinnie hasn't changed his name back to Vinnie Cusano. Vinnie, for the record, was fired for unethical behavior, not because of lack of talent. The guy is very talented. He was unethical. He was fired. ”
—Gene Simmons

I wonder what Vinnie did that was considered by Gene to be 'unethical'?
Not tithe enough of his paltry salary to Gene and Paul?

[Vinnie Velvet]

I think Walker is right on this one.

Vinnie's make-up was designed by Paul Stanley, and continued the mystic theme of the costume. It was a golden ankh (an ancient Egyptian cross) across Vinnie's forehead, and down the bridge of his nose. Black make-up around the eyes, and black lipstick completed the most short-lived make-up in the history of KISS (aside from Eric's Hawk and Paul's Bandit make-up, that is). In Kiss the last time he wore the make-up was at the Brazilian shows in 1983. He did put back on the make-up for 2 unofficial Kiss-Expos in March 1996 in Atlanta, GA (USA) and Stockholm, Sweden (see B/W-picture from Stockholm of him with a Tribute band on stage). As soon as Kiss found out, their lawyers stopped him to appear in make-up immediately.

This is true.

But Ace and Peter of course both designed their own makeup but don't own its rights anymore.

As far as what happened in '96, its possible Vinnie is not allowed to 'appear' at any event in the makeup but owns its rights.

Not sure if that makes any sense. :D

[WACF]

And sadly if you do go, you can still say you've never seen KISS live.

Good point...

To be fair...the only issue I have with the band is using Ace and Peter's makeup.

Otherwise...it is what it is...half original...but then Singer has been with the band for quite some time now.

I imagine I will go...seems they are playing alot of the old stuff lately...that is what I am after anyways.

[WACF]

I don't know... if Paul Stanley came up with the ankh make-up design and Gene came up with the name Vinnie Vincent how could Vinnie own the rights to it... doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah...I guess we will see where the suit goes.

[WACF]

I wonder what Vinnie did that was considered by Gene to be 'unethical'?
Not tithe enough of his paltry salary to Gene and Paul?

I would be interesting to know what Gene's take is.


The only issue I had only really heard about what Vinnie would go off and shred for abit as the song was ending.

Paul sometimes would have to go yell at him to stop...

[indeedido]

I speculate he wanted more money and input. He was a paid hand and wanted to be part of the band I suspect. Lick it Up was pretty popular when it came out. He probably tried to push them since it hadn't been too long since Ace left thinking they don't want a revolving door of guitarist.

[indeedido]

Give this a listen, it's a good one. Too much to sum up, check it. Peter being interviewed by Eddie Trunk. Priceless!

http://www.petercriss.net/homepage/sub/eddietrunk/eddietrunkpart1.mp3

"With Tommy, I see a guy who used to order my food. He didn't pay any dues. He ordered my plate of spaghetti, next thing I know he's on stage."

[indeedido]

PeterCriss.NET - "Presents Peter's Interview with "Eddie Trunk" on May/21/04

[atomicpunk5151]

Give this a listen, it's a good one. Too much to sum up, check it. Peter being interviewed by Eddie Trunk. Priceless!

http://www.petercriss.net/homepage/sub/eddietrunk/eddietrunkpart1.mp3

"With Tommy, I see a guy who used to order my food. He didn't pay any dues. He ordered my plate of spaghetti, next thing I know he's on stage."

That is where Peter is a bit wrong. He sort of paid his dues by recording almost all of the guitars on the Psycho Circus cd in 98. Gene looked his way first when Ace left.

If Peter had been to more of the recording session he might have remembered the guy did more then just order food......lol....

[Mr Walker]

Pete's a bitter old fuck... I'm glad he's not in the band anymore.
I would say that putting up with that washed up old bitch's bullshit should be considered 'paying dues'.