Finally! What every Stone fan has been waiting for!!!

[chefcraig]

What kills me is that the Stones have a warehouse full of this stuff, and I get the impression that it's filled up more or less like the ending of the first Indiana Jones movie. There is live, professionally filmed stuff from all eras, that simply blows the officially released stuff out of the water. I mean come on, does anyone out there believe that the Stones band presented on Love You Live was as sluggish and out of it for the entire tour? I have some vinyl boots from the seventies from the same era (Welcome To Frankfurt, for one) that reveal a snarling, nasty rock and roll band. Shit, you can find clips on Youtube from these pro shot deals, that leave you scratching your head as to why they were never released.

Crap, anyone know how I can get a job as the official archivist for the Stones, or failing that, Van Halen?

[kwame k]

What kills me is that the Stones have a warehouse full of this stuff, and I get the impression that it's filled up more or less like the ending of the first Indiana Jones movie. There is live, professionally filmed stuff from all eras, that simply blows the officially released stuff out of the water. I mean come on, does anyone out there believe that the Stones band presented on Love You Live was as sluggish and out of it for the entire tour? I have some vinyl boots from the seventies from the same era (Welcome To Frankfurt, for one) that reveal a snarling, nasty rock and roll band. Shit, you can find clips on Youtube from these pro shot deals, that leave you scratching your head as to why they were never released.

Crap, anyone know how I can get a job as the official archivist for the Stones, or failing that, Van Halen?

I scratch my head in befuddlement, too. I mean with so many great shows filmed and of those, what truly represents what The Stones are live, why the lack of output......

[chefcraig]

Even the outright blunders are worth a listen. Check out this pro shot clip from Wembley Stadium in the summer of 1982. Keef starts up at a startling tempo, and Charlie is way off the mark. Even Wyman is looking around as if to say "Ooops". And somehow, it all falls together and rocks pretty darned hard by the end.

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[FORD]

I mean come on, does anyone out there believe that the Stones band presented on Love You Live was as sluggish and out of it for the entire tour?

Well, there are some gigs from that tour where Keith was so smacked up, it's a miracle he remained vertical......

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[tojoro]

Someone elsewhere had mentioned Mick's reluctance to open the vault, as he felt the Stones were still a contemporary band, and not a nostalgia act.
Got news for ya, buddy...most 16 year olds think the Chili Peppers are old, so what does that make you?
Cut the shit, and release the hounds!!

[DLR7884]

Someone elsewhere had mentioned Mick's reluctance to open the vault, as he felt the Stones were still a contemporary band, and not a nostalgia act.
Got news for ya, buddy...most 16 year olds think the Chili Peppers are old, so what does that make you?
Cut the shit, and release the hounds!!

Very well said.

DLR7884
Of course, the VH camp is pulling the same shit.

[chefcraig]

Well, there are some gigs from that tour where Keith was so smacked up, it's a miracle he remained vertical......

Well yeah, no shit. In fact, Jagger just started dragging Ronnie Wood out for dual vocals. The thing is, they were hotter than hell as a band, no matter what fog Keith was in. From the same Forum show, July 11, 1975.

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[FORD]

Even the outright blunders are worth a listen. Check out this pro shot clip from Wembley Stadium in the summer of 1982. Keef starts up at a startling tempo, and Charlie is way off the mark. Even Wyman is looking around as if to say "Ooops". And somehow, it all falls together and rocks pretty darned hard by the end.

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There's a reason why the Stones only played "She's So Cold" on the 81/82 tour. They fucked that one up a few times. There was an earlier gig where Keith actually forgot the intro riff. He expected Woody to jump in and cover for him. When he didn't, Keith walked over and punched him in the mouth.

George Thorogood opened a number of the Stones 81 shows. What was not widely reported at the time was that George was secretly practicing with the band because Woody was doing way too much blow, and after finally getting Keith off of Heroin, Mick didn't want another addiction fucking up the band. This fact may or may not explain why Mick Taylor appeared out of nowhere to play with the band at their Kansas City show that year. (sorry, no videos of that one)

[kwame k]

Songs on that tour sounded rushed to me, IMHO. Listening to Still Life and Hal Ashby's Let's Spend The Night Together certain songs were just played too fast.

Loved the Motown shit they did on that tour.

Remember Prince opened, too. He got booed off stage

[chefcraig]

George Thorogood opened a number of the Stones 81 shows. What was not widely reported at the time was that George was secretly practicing with the band because Woody was doing way too much blow, and after finally getting Keith off of Heroin, Mick didn't want another addiction fucking up the band. This fact may or may not explain why Mick Taylor appeared out of nowhere to play with the band at their Kansas City show that year. (sorry, no videos of that one)

I'll tell you something fucking weird, that only could have happened in South Florida around that time. We did not have what is now known as basic cable back then. In fact, cable tv did not even exist unless you were loaded. What we did have were one or two companies that operated on the old UHF channels, and you'd pay to have a box the size of a small refrigerator bolted to the top of your tv set, in order to get some soft core porn and a few boxing matches each month. The pisser was, you could tune into these channels amongst the ant-races channels on your set, find the broadcast and watch it. The video was somewhat scrambled, but the audio was crystal clear.

So that Stones live show came on, including George Thorogood's entire opening set, along with the substantial wait for the Stones to come on. I have yet to find that performance by Thorogood anywhere, to this day.

Odder still, on the day of the show, one of the local radio stations played one of those long, "King Biscuit-type" live shows of the Stones from earlier in the tour. It was a smoking set, featuring "Miss You" done at a nearly punk rock tempo. At the time, I contacted the station, asking where they'd gotten the damned thing. I was informed that the show would never be heard again, and the DJ that had played it left the station that weekend.

Maybe that's why I'm so warped about porn and rock and roll, having seen much of it on a split, distorted screen.

[twonabomber]

IMO, this warranted its own thread.

it did, it does...

[Terry]

What kills me is that the Stones have a warehouse full of this stuff, and I get the impression that it's filled up more or less like the ending of the first Indiana Jones movie. There is live, professionally filmed stuff from all eras, that simply blows the officially released stuff out of the water. I mean come on, does anyone out there believe that the Stones band presented on Love You Live was as sluggish and out of it for the entire tour? I have some vinyl boots from the seventies from the same era (Welcome To Frankfurt, for one) that reveal a snarling, nasty rock and roll band. Shit, you can find clips on Youtube from these pro shot deals, that leave you scratching your head as to why they were never released.

Crap, anyone know how I can get a job as the official archivist for the Stones, or failing that, Van Halen?

Probably not out of it for the entire tour, but the Stones had a reputation even as late as the Still Life tour for being uneven as a live act for much of the 1970s and early 1980s, with the spectacle or event factor of actually seeing the band overshadowing the average nature of some of the performances (re: Love You Live [although the version of Sympathy on that one fucking COOKS!] and Still Life[listening to the music without the film visuals is less than enthralling]).

Nothing necessarily wrong with that as such, since a band can be rehearsed to the point of it coming across as just going through the motions, but it really wasn't until the Steel Wheels tour that the Stones really buckled down, took pre-tour rehearsals seriously and made a concerted effort to give consistent performances night after night. While I'd hesitate to say (despite their staggering tour grosses) they were one of the greatest live rock acts ever, at least with the Steel Wheels period and beyond they realized that an audience paying top dollar for tickets deserves a good show all around.

[ODShowtime]

Jesus H. tap dancing, titty-fucking Christ it's about time!

Next VH Oakland '81!