Destroyer: A psychoanalysis in deviant and sexual behavior

[mark wahlberg]

Oh, you're gonna slit some throats then??

[Mr. Vengeance]

Nothing wrong with Destroyer. Detroit Rock City, King of the Nightime World, Do You Love Me.....all rock and roll. You get some overproduced stuff like Flaming Youth and God of Thunder. Beth is a throwaway ballad.

Good album.

[chefcraig]

DESTROYER kicks ass....anyone who says differently listens to TELEVISON
ROCK N ROLL OVER is the best thing they ever recorded.....other than ALIVE, which isn't

That's not fair. I like Destroyer (it has some lame moments, but so did every album up KISS ALIVE II. After that, the wheels pretty much fell off.) and I believe Marquee Moon is a brilliant album that holds up to this very day. In fact, it was so far ahead of it's time that it could be re-released today to college radio (minus any hint that it was issued in 1977) and become a hit.

[Kristy]

DESTROYER kicks ass....anyone who says differently listens to TELEVISION

Is Tom Verlaine Jewish?

To say time and time again how much KISS suck is ridiculous. So I'll give them credit.

They wrote some of the most fucking unlistenable gawd-awful shit monotonous shit tunes ever to be recorded.
The majority of their songs were misogynist in nature and glorified rape
Not one of them was well crafted in their instrumental abilities
Their endless array of Chinese made "merchandise" junk that fuckwitted KISS fans love to buy

And oh yeah, they did write Beth the closet they ever came to having a legitimate "hit" on their otherwise grubby hands.

Fuck them, if you like KISS then you also must like prison sex.

[Matt White]

Is Tom Verlaine Jewish?

To say time and time again how much KISS suck is ridiculous. So I'll give them credit.

They wrote some of the most fucking unlistenable gawd-awful shit monotonous shit tunes ever to be recorded.
The majority of their songs were misogynist in nature and glorified rape
Not one of them was well crafted in their instrumental abilities
Their endless array of Chinese made "merchandise" junk that fuckwitted KISS fans love to buy

And oh yeah, they did write Beth the closet they ever came to having a legitimate "hit" on their otherwise grubby hands.

Fuck them, if you like KISS then you also must like prison sex.

Wasn't "Prison Sex" a song by Tool? :O

Anywhoo............I agree KISS is aboot the least talented of the 70's glam bands......as far as technical prowess goes....those boys knew how to write a catchy tune.....took 'em a few records to figure it out...........

Yup....Gene and Paul wrote pretty lame lyrics....no STAIRWAY in their catalog

THey were marketing genius' though......they laughed all the way to the bank...and still do

Tom Verlaine might not be "jewish"...but he's a mongoloid.....

Ace Frehley was the best part of that band

[ELVIS]

Eh, fuck this.

Story of your life...

[Kristy]

Story of your life...

Now tell yours to your social worker.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Look, you either like KISS or you don't. My personal opinion is that many people who do like them tend to go overboard in their worship, while a lot of those who hate them go overboard in their hatred. I've been a lifelong fan, and long since stopped really caring about those who dismiss them with the astute criticism that "Kiss Sucks", much the same way as I long have since grown tired of the ridiculous money grubbing by Gene- such as dressing up fakes in Ace and Peter's makeup, and things like KissKaskets.

However, those who want to tell me that I need to "grow up" because I like KISS really ought to do so themselves. That's the kind of shit you do in high school- "Your music sucks..blah blah blah." Who cares what you think about what I listen to? I mean, I HATE (with a capital H) U2, but they've certainly been around long enough, sold enough albums and have enough fans, that it makes me sound pretty stupid to say to someone, "You're stupid because you like U2. U2 sucks."

[DLR Bridge]

I wouldn't say that anyone who currently enjoys KISS needs to "grow up", however, that band ties enormously to my youth and I do feel that I personally have grown out of them. I was a huge fan as a kid and I never got to see them as I was just a kid. Seeing them in '96 was the ultimate closure on the subject of that band. I've paid less and less attention to them as the years have rolled by because it is magicless and half faux. If people can find enjoyment in what that band is currently doing, then more power to 'em! For me, it's all about the early years, if at all anymore.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

To me, 40 years after they started, here's how I've explained KISS to the younger generations....

To really understand KISS, I believe you really have to have lived through the '74-'83 years....

And I don't mean simply being born during those years, I mean to being cognizant of the music world and knowing what's what..... 'Cause KISS in the mid to late '70's was simply a phenomenon....

To a kid who at 11 years old in 1975 when Alive! came out, it was nothing like anyone had ever seen... It put Alice Cooper's theatrical show to shame, with all due respect to Alice....

The stage show was fantastic, with all of the pyro and flash pots, not to mention the blood and fire from Gene....

When you went to a KISS show, you didn't EXPECT any virtuoso musical performances.... All four of them are average musicians, with Ace being the best of the four.... Peter is more of a jazz drummer, Paul and Gene are simply mediocre guitarists, IMO anyway.... But it was the combination of the music and the stage show that made it a must-see for several years.....

They were on every magazine cover, musical or not, for several years.... Nowadays, most people chuckle at the KISS marketing scheme, but back then, they were the first.....

But the most fascinating part about KISS, even having said all that, was that NO ONE knew what they looked like for 10 years !! That is absolutely unheard and could NEVER be accomplished nowadays....

So I can see people, 40 years after the fact, being very blah about KISS... I certainly concur that their act has gotten very tired, although they can still fill the seats at a very respectable rate.....

But if you've been there from the beginning, you'd understand that it was once very different in the music world, and KISS was right up on top for quite a long time.....

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I wouldn't say that anyone who currently enjoys KISS needs to "grow up", however, that band ties enormously to my youth and I do feel that I personally have grown out of them. I was a huge fan as a kid and I never got to see them as I was just a kid. Seeing them in '96 was the ultimate closure on the subject of that band. I've paid less and less attention to them as the years have rolled by because it is magicless and half faux. If people can find enjoyment in what that band is currently doing, then more power to 'em! For me, it's all about the early years, if at all anymore.

Agreed on the '96 tour....

I saw them at this show in Milan, it was a fantastic night....

[DLR Bridge]

Extremely well put regarding the 70's VA.

[Mr. Vengeance]

To me, 40 years after they started, here's how I've explained KISS to the younger generations....

To really understand KISS, I believe you really have to have lived through the '74-'83 years....

And I don't mean simply being born during those years, I mean to being cognizant of the music world and knowing what's what..... 'Cause KISS in the mid to late '70's was simply a phenomenon....

To a kid who at 11 years old in 1975 when Alive! came out, it was nothing like anyone had ever seen... It put Alice Cooper's theatrical show to shame, with all due respect to Alice....

The stage show was fantastic, with all of the pyro and flash pots, not to mention the blood and fire from Gene....

When you went to a KISS show, you didn't EXPECT any virtuoso musical performances.... All four of them are average musicians, with Ace being the best of the four.... Peter is more of a jazz drummer, Paul and Gene are simply mediocre guitarists, IMO anyway.... But it was the combination of the music and the stage show that made it a must-see for several years.....

They were on every magazine cover, musical or not, for several years.... Nowadays, most people chuckle at the KISS marketing scheme, but back then, they were the first.....

But the most fascinating part about KISS, even having said all that, was that NO ONE knew what they looked like for 10 years !! That is absolutely unheard and could NEVER be accomplished nowadays....

So I can see people, 40 years after the fact, being very blah about KISS... I certainly concur that their act has gotten very tired, although they can still fill the seats at a very respectable rate.....

But if you've been there from the beginning, you'd understand that it was once very different in the music world, and KISS was right up on top for quite a long time.....

Exactly. If you weren't around when it was all starting, you have no idea how huge KISS were. They were everywhere. When they were on the Paul Lynde Halloween special, all the kids on my block watched it, and talked about it the next day. We'd put the albums on and mime to it, pretending we were KISS. You went out dressed as your favorite KISS member on Halloween too. I don't see any rock bands today that command the attention KISS did in the 70s. Even that douche Bieber isn't as visible.

A lot of it is because of the world we live in now. There's a lot more exposure with the internet, youtube, smartphones. Music isn't delivered to kids in albums anymore, just downloads of one song for 99 cents. Back then, you'd go to the record store and see the new KISS album on display, and you had a large record jacket with cool shit on it.

[DLR Bridge]

I'm beginning to think this place needs a "That 70's thread".

Thems were the good ol' days.

[chefcraig]

I'm beginning to think this place needs a "That 70's thread".

Thems were the good ol' days.

Yep. There was a new episode of Counting Cars (my new favorite show) on the History channel last night, and Danny found a 1977 Dodge Tradesman van (for $1800!) he redid as a gift for a band mate. Christ, the brain cells I lost inside of those things in the high school parking lot and beyond...probably as well as anything explains my peculiar vocational choices ever since.

I know, I know, nostalgia doesn't do anyone much good. But you have to admit, 12x12 album covers displayed terrific artwork, the tv shows hold up to this very day and people seemed just a bit more sophisticated and friendlier.