Tapes that kill

[Rikk]

But hopefully one eventually grows up and stops getting bothered about what other people do sexually, because who gives a shit?

You're 100% right. Seriously, THAT is what it comes down to. Who gives a shit?

One must ask: WHY should this remotely affect you?

I hear people go on about how two gay guys getting married somehow takes away from their own beliefs or some other nonsense. And that is such crap.

My wife & I met in 2005. We've been married since 2010. I love her very much. And one thing I NEVER do is measure our relationship based on other people's relationships. To do so (with a few exceptions) just makes no sense whatsoever. Whatever my wife & I share (and however we got married) is judged on the very merits of our life together and nothing else.

Other humans being gay, getting married as a gay couple...these things have nothing to do with the life I myself am living. This also goes for people having sex changes, identifying as a different gender... I GIVE THESE THINGS AS MUCH THOUGHT AND INTEREST AS I GIVE PEOPLE THINK GOING TO VEGAS EVERY VACATION IS THE WAY TO LIVE. I don't identify with that and it's not for me. But if it's for them, I (in passing) say to myself, "OK, if that's what you want, go for it."

Because, see, I tend to think things like the economy, mass shootings, book-banning, armed insurrections...these are things that have greater likelihood to affect me.

One side looks for issues they know will rile people up...divide people...and then they spend all their political time chasing these non-issues because their minions will (like sheep) jump at these issues and be fooled into thinking these issues are important. And as long as they're distracted, this same political side can then make sure their minions aren't paying attention to the more far-reaching harm these politicians are doing...

[Terry]

You're 100% right. Seriously, THAT is what it comes down to. Who gives a shit?

One must ask: WHY should this remotely affect you?

I hear people go on about how two gay guys getting married somehow takes away from their own beliefs or some other nonsense. And that is such crap.

My wife & I met in 2005. We've been married since 2010. I love her very much. And one thing I NEVER do is measure our relationship based on other people's relationships. To do so (with a few exceptions) just makes no sense whatsoever. Whatever my wife & I share (and however we got married) is judged on the very merits of our life together and nothing else.

Other humans being gay, getting married as a gay couple...these things have nothing to do with the life I myself am living. This also goes for people having sex changes, identifying as a different gender... I GIVE THESE THINGS AS MUCH THOUGHT AND INTEREST AS I GIVE PEOPLE THINK GOING TO VEGAS EVERY VACATION IS THE WAY TO LIVE. I don't identify with that and it's not for me. But if it's for them, I (in passing) say to myself, "OK, if that's what you want, go for it."

Because, see, I tend to think things like the economy, mass shootings, book-banning, armed insurrections...these are things that have greater likelihood to affect me.

One side looks for issues they know will rile people up...divide people...and then they spend all their political time chasing these non-issues because their minions will (like sheep) jump at these issues and be fooled into thinking these issues are important. And as long as they're distracted, this same political side can then make sure their minions aren't paying attention to the more far-reaching harm these politicians are doing...

I dunno...it's just this thing I've always found peculiar, that being why some people are so concerned about what others do sexually...

Like, if you think sex should be exclusively between a man and a woman and should be done solely in the missionary position strictly penis to vagina and used only for procreative purposes, fine. LIVE YOUR LIFE THAT WAY and DON'T BE TROUBLED BY WHAT OTHERS PRACTICE, because WHAT OTHERS DO IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Now, a caveat. I think parents should have the ultimate say as to when and how their children should be informed/taught about sexuality. School boards/politicians shouldn't be making those choices and dictating them to the parents. Parents should be informing the school boards as to that part of the curriculum, though this also entails parents getting involved with school curriculum and attending/participating in school board meetings.

And, obviously, PDA displays of same-sex affection should be limited to women...nubile, college-aged, attractive women with athletic BMI's.

[FORD]

Halford has said since that the leather thing was never his bag and KK Downing claimed it was mostly his idea. .

Before the leather, they pretty much dressed like a bunch of hippies, and Halford was basically copying the Robert Plant look....

[Nickdfresh]

Before the leather, they pretty much dressed like a bunch of hippies, and Halford was basically copying the Robert Plant look....

While I do not want to be Judas Priest's biographer, I have read a lot about them and Rob wasn't the first singer, his brother-in-law was. Rob is seen wearing his sisters shirt in multiple live videos early on and JP was never started as a "hell-bent-for-leather" heavy metal outfit but sort of morphed into one from a Zeppelin-ish hippy outfit...

[Seshmeister]

I hope John 5 is getting paid a lot for this because it's not a good look...

[Nitro Express]

Everyone knows John can play. He’s a hired gun slinger. He can just say he had a contract and was legally obligated to do the tour. In fact, being loyal to a contract would be better than bailing. Loyal dependable people are who acts want to hire not unstable prima donnas.

[Nitro Express]

Anyways the people selling all this shit are totally confident the general public are so stupid they can get away with it. Nobody is throwing shit. In the old days a pissed off audience would tear you to shreds. Nowadays everyone stands there looking into a phone.

[Nitro Express]

I never liked Motley Crue anyways. First time I saw them was at the 83 US Festival. I thought they looked stupid. They really look stupid now.

[Terry]

Anyways the people selling all this shit are totally confident the general public are so stupid they can get away with it. Nobody is throwing shit. In the old days a pissed off audience would tear you to shreds. Nowadays everyone stands there looking into a phone.

Audiences are too polite these days, 'specially at rock concerts featuring old bands. I'm guessing because the audiences at those shows are on average 50+ years old themselves and want a night out with a glimmer of nostalgia: they want that old feeling to the point where they will accept fractions of an original or definitive lineup and will tolerate instruments being tuned down to accommodate aging singers. Or singers who can't sing worth a shit anymore. Or bands playing to backing tapes.

I don't blame the bands anymore for pulling these cheesy tricks to barely get by via their live performances. I blame the audiences for showing up year after year and tour after tour and tolerating the contempt these wheezing icons of yesteryear have for them: why the fuck SHOULD these bands try any harder when they're getting by just fine half-assing it?

John 5 is doing a job. Motley Crue fans eat shit. If they didn't, they wouldn't accept the level of musicianship onstage. Clearly, the fans must be happy with what they're getting because they keep coming back for more.

[Von Halen]

Motley Crue fans eat shit. If they didn't, they wouldn't accept the level of musicianship onstage. Clearly, the fans must be happy with what they're getting because they keep coming back for more.

A big majority of the fans going to these shows these days, just want to be able to claim on social media they saw Motley Crue, or whatever band. They may like the music, but they aren't invested in the band the way we were invested in our favorite bands. This is obvious by all the bands selling plenty of tickets when they barely have original members, if they have any at all. People are going to these shows as a status symbol for social media, and to party.

I have a buddy that's dating a much younger woman. She hates the shows, but goes because he loves them, and because she wants to brag about it on her Facebook page. My gal loves rock and blues shows, but not some of the metal shows I like. She goes to the rock and blues shows with me and loves them as much as I do, but I go by myself or with a friend to the real heavy stuff. Of course, we don't do FB and aren't plastering our lives all over social media either.

Concerts today are more about the individual attending than the music or show itself. IMO

[Nickdfresh]

I guess Aerosmith is coming here in January and for a second I entertained buying tickets then realized I had no desire to see Airoband...

[Terry]

A big majority of the fans going to these shows these days, just want to be able to claim on social media they saw Motley Crue, or whatever band. They may like the music, but they aren't invested in the band the way we were invested in our favorite bands. This is obvious by all the bands selling plenty of tickets when they barely have original members, if they have any at all. People are going to these shows as a status symbol for social media, and to party.

I have a buddy that's dating a much younger woman. She hates the shows, but goes because he loves them, and because she wants to brag about it on her Facebook page. My gal loves rock and blues shows, but not some of the metal shows I like. She goes to the rock and blues shows with me and loves them as much as I do, but I go by myself or with a friend to the real heavy stuff. Of course, we don't do FB and aren't plastering our lives all over social media either.

Concerts today are more about the individual attending than the music or show itself. IMO

I suppose part of it is these pop metal-lite 80s hair bands (we never called them hair bands back then, but whatever) were at their peak when they were in their twenties in terms of energy, ability and endurance. So it shouldn't at all be surprising that they simply can't rouse themselves physically as they get older and conjure up what is needed to recreate what they did when they were young men...that music was never designed to age well.

But that whole genre has gone beyond the stage of that late-Elvis phase, where Presley in the last few years of his life was just this bloated joke cashing in on nostalgia while occasionally half-assedly trying to display some flashes of what turned people onto him the first place.

However, same as with Elvis I don't blame these relics from the 1980s continuing to wheeze around up onstage, but I don't even consider them as fleecing their audiences; unlike the last years of Elvis, potential ticket buyers these days can know exactly what they're getting re: current live capabilities via free streaming. So it isn't a fleecing in that sheep require herding whereas these audiences willingly pay to see these sad spectacles.

I may well be out of step or out of touch or whatever, but I still have a level of expectation for my ticket dollars. When I saw in 2012 that Roth could no longer cut it to my standards, I stopped going to see him since for me the concert IS still about the music and the show. I dunno...I just reach a point where I can only give so many concessions for an artist's age and my nostalgia jones no longer surpasses the ROI a concert ticket provides.

[Terry]

I guess Aerosmith is coming here in January and for a second I entertained buying tickets then realized I had no desire to see Airoband...

Yet another gaggle of wheezing geezers cashing in on a "farewell tour"...

I kinda liked them better back in the early-to-mid 1980s when they were still fucked up. First time I saw 'em in 1985 Tyler came out swigging on Heineken and drunkenly stumbled throughout the show, failing to hit every high note and looking gray as 5-day old Arby's roast beef. About a year before that Run-D.M.C. collaboration. The crowd on the floor was in a brawling mood: literally recall somebody swinging a large chain over their head and striking other people in the floor area, which started a round of fistfights. Back when Aerosmith's audience were a rough bunch...I remember the kind of girls who liked Steven Tyler back then were the girls who came from working-class families, and these girls would wear very tight blue jeans with holes in them to school and loose-fitting concert t-shirts (with no bras) and a LOT of mascara. Poor, slutty girls who definitely weren't sitting home on school nights hoping the captain of the football team would ask them out to homecoming.

You know, back when Aerosmith were still cool...before they hooked up with the likes of Desmond Child and John Kalodner.

[Nitro Express]

A big majority of the fans going to these shows these days, just want to be able to claim on social media they saw Motley Crue, or whatever band. They may like the music, but they aren't invested in the band the way we were invested in our favorite bands. This is obvious by all the bands selling plenty of tickets when they barely have original members, if they have any at all. People are going to these shows as a status symbol for social media, and to party.

I have a buddy that's dating a much younger woman. She hates the shows, but goes because he loves them, and because she wants to brag about it on her Facebook page. My gal loves rock and blues shows, but not some of the metal shows I like. She goes to the rock and blues shows with me and loves them as much as I do, but I go by myself or with a friend to the real heavy stuff. Of course, we don't do FB and aren't plastering our lives all over social media either.

Concerts today are more about the individual attending than the music or show itself. IMO

That’s some lame shit. Hell we just went to shows because it was 15 bucks and something to do.

[Nitro Express]

Audiences are too polite these days, 'specially at rock concerts featuring old bands. I'm guessing because the audiences at those shows are on average 50+ years old themselves and want a night out with a glimmer of nostalgia: they want that old feeling to the point where they will accept fractions of an original or definitive lineup and will tolerate instruments being tuned down to accommodate aging singers. Or singers who can't sing worth a shit anymore. Or bands playing to backing tapes.

I don't blame the bands anymore for pulling these cheesy tricks to barely get by via their live performances. I blame the audiences for showing up year after year and tour after tour and tolerating the contempt these wheezing icons of yesteryear have for them: why the fuck SHOULD these bands try any harder when they're getting by just fine half-assing it?

John 5 is doing a job. Motley Crue fans eat shit. If they didn't, they wouldn't accept the level of musicianship onstage. Clearly, the fans must be happy with what they're getting because they keep coming back for more.

What’s scary is when the beyond the sell date sucky has beens really do a shitty show and the nostalgia drunk idol worshippers still think it’s great. That’s some delusional shit.