Joe Jackson on Smoking

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
In 10 years time you'll suddenly wake up and realise it is illegal to eat a burger in a public place.

Think of the children who might see you and then copy you!!!

Hilary Clinton was asked a while back 'Why not just ban fast food?'.

Her answer was 'It's not practical'.

Notice she didn't say 'What the fuck has that got to do with government?'

HAHAH!!!

Yeah, I've been thinking of Argentina or Brazil.

However, I think that if the Hilaryclinton's needed to solve the AIDS numbers there, they'd ban sex instead of putting up condom campaigns...

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Northern Girl
You can make lame justifications and excuses all you want, but smoking is just plain stupid. You reek and you have bad breath. I won't fuck that!

I guess that leaves me with Mezro.

You're welcome.

[Northern Girl]

I'm disappointed. I was hoping to get a rise out of someone, you know, for my amusement. :D

[Mezro]

Originally posted by Northern Girl
I'm disappointed. I was hoping to get a rise out of someone, you know, for my amusement. :D

You got a rise out of me.

Mezro...having trouble zipping my fly...the cyclops is hopping...

[Northern Girl]

Well, there you go...color me amused...

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by Northern Girl
... I won't fuck that!...

I won't fuck someone who smells like cigarette, just like I won't fuck someone who stinks; excessive sweat (I ain't talking about that "I'm about to get laid" sweet musky scent...), bad breath, bad body odors etc...
It's gross!

But I think that smokers that want to attract others, know to brush their teeth and/or at least, chew "Clorets"...

[blonddgirl777]

Cigarette smell (on anything) and ashtrays are disgusting to everyone... eaven the 2 packs/day smokers!

[Coyote]

Originally posted by Golden AWe
Let me just say that this is a very interesting thread because this is such a huge issue in Finland at the moment now.

The lawmakers are really a pain in the ass, especially for the restaurant and bar owners. No matter how important some of these changes would have been, the short-sighted vision of them once again makes me really angry. First, was it 1999-2001 or something, the put huge demands on ventilation of the restaurants and bars and owners, even small pubs, have to use tens of thousands to improve it. Then, only TWO years later, they make the extra ventilation changes useless as the demand for certain part of non-smoking area in the comes in - now they had to make changes again. The fact that some of these demands are parts of the EU politics makes it even worse, hey, we have hypocrites in every cuntry!

No matter how good or bad the passive smoking issue was, making changes like this is really short-sighted and dumb. Being a non-smoking restaurant should be a good advertising issue for someone who excepts a lot of kids and families - it should be up for the restaurant to decide, the word of good habits will spread, people will talk and then decide, even without a law, in this issue. Making same demands for second-class pubs where the professional drinkers go and the owner behind the desk smokes too just makes the life of the owner harder and he may even suffer losses and that's less tax income for the country.

And it's not only about tobacco. Harder demands also increase prices of beer AND food. We already have so anti-european habits of drinking and eating, people don't socialize and go out enough, and one major reason is the prices are so high.

You know what the finnish (mostly the hypocrite and christian feminist parts) government is going to do next? They are still not going to let wine to be sold in normal grocery stores and supermarkets. They are going to put labels of "drinking is dangerous" on all the bottles and increase the prices. In other words they are still making it hard to sell wine and keeping the harder liquor, vodka etc. at comparably low prices and wondering what is wrong with so many alcoholics, on why are our drinking habits so different from the europeans, why aren't we socialized to drink a few glasses of wine few times a week? Why instead we drink loads of vodka during the weekend and solve our problems with the hammer then?

Hahaha...I want out of here.

Me too...

[Dan]

I smoked when I was 16 years old.I thought I was cool but only a fool to do it.Both my parents smoked and my Mum still does.My Dad gave up 20 years ago and thanks God he did.

I have no problem with people smoking but not around me or in my fucking car.o.k only Mum cos she bought me up.

If you go to a Bar you are going to get people smoking and that's the truth.

The law here in NZ is you are not allowed to smoke in Bars only outside.No smoking at work only outside too.

I only smoke after Sex.

[pflo]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
Alcohol kills far more people than tobbacco does. It's dangerouse shit. Do we want to band booze?

Last time we did we just made the organized criminal so rich they basically started buying up major American cities.

Regulating and manipulating life so it will be a perfect world always fails. Adolf Hitler tried to make a perfect world according to him. The undesirable were exterminated and breeding of the desirable began. In this major strive towards perfection he ended up destroying what he was trying to build.

I always cringe when the govt. wants to ban or regulate something that has been done in the US for centuries because the excuse is, they are going to make a perfect world for us.

Bush is trying to make a terrorist free world for us and in the process our habious corpus was revoked along with other basic constitutional rights.

Hit the spellcheck....And BULLSHIT, the difference between booze and smoking is im not spilling booze down the throats of people around me.And 2 glasses of red wine a day has a proven POSITIVE effect on health.Smoking is complete bullshit and has nothing redeeming about it (and I used to smoke).Up here in Canada it is basically banned eveywher indoors and that has been a good thing.It encouraged me and many others to stop over the last five years.The next step will be a full ban and i say bring it on, once you quit you realize how useless it was. Have you ever talked to someone with lung cancer surgery (crack open the ribs and CUT OUT lung tissue) NO FUCKIN WAY!!

[pflo]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
It's not just the tax in somewhere like Canada or the UK with extensive welfare systems.

Smokers contribute big time. Not just through the tax but more importantly they die early. Typically just as they start to be less useful to society around retirement age. With the horrendous problems with pension funding it's really important that they keep dying.

I fucking laugh when they talk about the cost of smokers to social healthcare. It's like noone dies later on. People that don't smoke are fucking immortal or something? Everyone dies, the majority of heart disease, strokes or cancer. The exact same thing that smokers die of. A non smoker dying of cancer in their 80s costs a fuck more than a smoker dying of lung cancer in their 50s because the non smoker has cost 20 years of state pension too.

Cheers!

by your logic, why dont i come down and shoot you to save the government some money on social programs? Of course that is not going to happen, as i am a peace loving dude ,but you position is crap.We are all going to be living a lot longer soon and retirement ages will go up.