A 400 Chevy Smallblock with 305 heads?

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  • GAR
    Banned
    • Jan 2004
    • 10881

    A 400 Chevy Smallblock with 305 heads?

    What's the advantage to this now: check out this motor deal..

    - we just now picked up a rebuilt motor not knowing anything about it, which of course is dicey. But I checked it out before we bought it and it looks like a freshly rebuilt and machined chevy smallblock engine for $400.

    Now here's the deal on why it's dicey: casting numbers on the block, 330817. Heads are 14014416. They're not supposed to go together because the block is a 400 cubic inch, and the heads list to be from a 305.

    So why would somebody build a motor like this? We don't know. Apparently a guy in Los Angeles was a mechanic that got canned and he leaves the motor in the shop. He was building it to replace a "street ripper" of an el Camino motor that was getting soft. Then he lost his job, and his interest.

    It comes with exhausts, HEI distributor, intake, heads, main pulley and balancer, and fuel pump with line. It was loaded with lotsa delicious golden-honey 30wt and new oil filter, like it was ready to go.

    THINGS KNOWN ON THE MYSTERY OF THE 400-305:
    - casting numbers
    - built by local shop with new Clevite and Felpro parts
    - we could part the heads, block, distrib, exhaust manifolds, and the engine stand separately and probably clear $150-250 in sales

    THINGS UNKNOWN ON THE MYSTERY OF THE 400-305:
    - what bore was done (.020, .030-over, we don't know)
    - what pistons
    - what lift camshaft
    - what crank is in it

    .. and of course the biggest mystery of all, WHY WOULD ANYONE PUT A SET OF 305 HEADS ON A 400 INCH BLOCK?

    My question: A) does this seem like a kind of "cheapie-383" build? You know, smaller combustion chambers but on top of bigger inches, and then you just "deck" the block for high compression?

    OR

    Maybe B) the guy just threw together a "mutt motor" together from stock spare parts? Maybe leftover core block hear and core heads there.. and after awhile he had enough components to "make up" an engine?

    What seems the more likely scenario here people, A or B?
  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #2
    Small block heads are small block heads...

    I wonder what's been done to them ??

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32942

      #3
      My guess is he was after higher compression. It could be an experimental motor he was playing with? Those heads could be highly modified. If the guy had access to machine tools he could have been experimenting with the combustion chamber shape and air flow patterns.

      Maybe both A and B are correct. He was trying to do a high compression street racing engine on the cheap. If he did his own machining that would make sense.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • Nitro Express
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 32942

        #4
        Do you have access to a stand to run that engine on?
        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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        • Hardrock69
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Feb 2005
          • 21897

          #5
          Do you have access to the proper forum to put this in????

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          • bastardog
            Commando
            • Feb 2004
            • 1101

            #6
            I think that the block is using low compression pistons (dished pistons) and try to compensate with the smaller 305 chamber

            It will do good on low rpm, but when on higher (I mean around 5000 rpm) it will hurt performance no matter what cam it has.

            It will not make a 383.....it is still a 400, is just the compression that had been changed (increased enormously)

            400 blocks are different than any other small Chevy block because of its water flow between the piston bore (or holes, I don't know the correct word in english) and for the 305 head to works well it has to have drilled the "steam holes" for that water passages in between the piston bores........if not it will run hot and will worn very quickly.
            My recommendation is to remove the heads and put anything with bigger runners to have better airflow on higher rpm. Or at least to check for the steam holes on the head and in the process check the bore size.

            a standard 400 block have 4.125 inches of bore from side to side of the hole
            and a standard 350/327/305 will have 4.00 inches

            the .10/.30/.40/.60 are over that numbers.....
            good luck

            Finally someone that like chevy engines as much as I do. Post about your ride and your ET's or just a photo. I will love to talk about engines and engine combinations all day.
            Last edited by bastardog; 01-30-2007, 03:59 PM.
            Bastardog

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            • Don Corleone
              Veteran
              • May 2004
              • 2084

              #7
              Originally posted by Hardrock69
              Do you have access to the proper forum to put this in????
              Moved.
              Roth Army Militia

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              • Douglas T.
                Full Member Status

                • Nov 2005
                • 3875

                #8
                I moved away from the junk yard 15 years ago! We was mostly FORD friendly! I had a 351 Winsor block that got more combinations of heads on it than Prince at a new years eve bash! To much time has past since those good ol' days! I had a rare factory 4 barrel aluminum intake that fit well too! I remember porting and polishing heads and timkering in the junk yard after school! My buddy had a fast back Mustang his grandfather used to run moonshine in! I bet that car woukd be worth a mint right now!

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32942

                  #9
                  Three cars I owned as a teenager are worth a fortune now. Would you believe I sold an all original GTO for a Toyota to go to college in?
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Nitro Express
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 32942

                    #10
                    A fast Mustang and access to moonshine was a teenage dream! Mix a little of granddaddy's hooch with some Hawaiian Punch and let the party begin!
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32942

                      #11
                      Hell, with a few modifications you could run the Mustang off of the moonshine.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • Jimmy Jingles
                        Veteran
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 1611

                        #12
                        Check the flux capacitor...
                        23. That's the number of people Mr. T has pitied in the time it has taken you to read this sentence.

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                        • Hoss
                          Full On Cocktard
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 21

                          #13
                          I'd say B, 305 heads are junk.
                          "There's a little bit of Van Halen in everybody!" DLR

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                          • Hardrock69
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 21897

                            #14
                            Me loves 351s....I had a 76 Torino with a 351 Windsor, then about 15 years later in the late 90s I got ahold of a '75 Torino with a 351 Modified....

                            Those V-8s fucking rule!!!!
                            :D

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                            • Douglas T.
                              Full Member Status

                              • Nov 2005
                              • 3875

                              #15
                              I had two, not at the same time, '71 Torino GT's! One was mint condition with the Mach 1 attachments i.e. window louvers, shaker hood scoop, Daytona rear end, two inch dual exhaust, etc.! That was way back before I owned a camera! I have two faded old pictures here somewhere. This is not one of them. This is a picture of the exact car. This picture is scanned of a Hot Wheel's package! The good thing about this car is it floats along at about 110 with no effort! The downside is the steering. The steering slave went out on it all the time! Although I imagine the designers didn't have me, and my Florida back roads, in mind when coming up with that!

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