Nativity My Ass - The Reality Of Jesus's Birth

[FORD]

Do you get moneyz off duh Big White Fathers in Washing-tun? Not being racist. Goddamn white people ass-raped the Native Americans for years!

At least the tribes get to have Casinos. So why don't they start selling pot? US Federal law has not jurisdiction on the Res....right?

Actually it's just the opposite. Federal law DOES have jurisdiction on reservations, but state law does not.

That's why you buy fireworks on the Rez, and some people buy smokes there to cheat taxes. It's also why tribal casinos are about the only public buildings you can find anymore where smoking is allowed indoors, though most of them do have smoke free facilities (and the smart ones do it right with separate HVAC systems)

[Sensible Shoes]

The State vs. soverignty issue came to a big bad lawsuit in Buffalo challenging the New York's intrusive stance on collecting taxes on Cigarettes and gas sold on reservations. I'm not sure how it was resolved, but it was an extremely interesting case involving original documents from 100 plus year old treaties.

[Guitar Shark]

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that:

1. Jesus Christ is the only one who disapproves of the original post
2. Jesus Christ is on record as calling the original poster a "JACKASS"

[Seshmeister]

We were big bad wolf back in the Middle Ages, but now we have the Baptists and Pentecostals to worry about. They're the ones going on about how dinosaurs didn't exist and men can't have long hair cuz it's the way of the devil.

It's true that the Catholic church are better at not attacking science than a lot of the looney toons US religions.

It's just a pity about the spreading AIDs and hunger, child rape, sexism, destroying the planet and a little bit of corruption.

Otherwise we could could all stop worring about it.

[Sensible Shoes]

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that:

1. Jesus Christ is the only one who disapproves of the original post
2. Jesus Christ is on record as calling the original poster a "JACKASS"

Thanks for pointing that out.....yes, it's a hoot!

It's kind of occured to me that we started by debating the details of Christ's birth, onto debating the existance of Christ, onto debating the merits of various religions. Boy we can't stay on topic, can we?

[Jesus Christ]

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that:

1. Jesus Christ is the only one who disapproves of the original post
2. Jesus Christ is on record as calling the original poster a "JACKASS"

Verily I say unto thee Matthew, that who is a jackass, but he who denies Me before man, and the same shall I deny before My Father.

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Verily I say unto thee Matthew, that who is a jackass, but he who denies Me before man, and the same shall I deny before My Father.

Regardless of what most people around here say about you, I have to say that you're one cool dude!

Ain't it sad that people bash you and your pops for things (some bible teachings, wars, etc..) you two had nothing to do with?

[Anonymous]

I get the argument.

It's the liberal argument that most people had gone along with for the last 30 years.

The reason in the last 5-10 years a lot of people have started to question the 'leave them to it' is the superstitions have been causing everyone problems.

You're sitting quietly doing your job one day and a plane crashes into your offices.

Your niece gets to 30 and finds that her uncle has needlessly died due to a disease that could have been prevented if US medical research had been allowed to be done.

Your niece gets to 30 and finds that there are now another 4 billion people on the planet and there isn't enough water because some superstitious people did everything to prevent contraception amongst developing countries.

The lunatics that have brought about the 3 things above could not function without being able to stand on the shoulders of the 'moderately' religious who give legitimacy to their crazy ideas.

You can't have everyone being told that there are fairies at the bottom of the garden and then complain when some people start leaving out food for them or think that they are better than next door because they don't have fairies or whatever.

It's better to say there almost definitely no fairies at the bottom of the garden and here are the reasons that the particular fairies you have been told about don't exist.

You are right, of course.

But that's not really what I was saying.

God doesn't exist. I know that, and you know that.

You probably also know that no matter how much sense you make, how much evidence you produce, how logical you are, you won't change their minds.

THAT is what I mean.

So, rather than add fuel to the fire by discussing with them, showing them evidence, etc. just do the right thing.

Laugh at them. Point out how stupid, ignorant & superstitious they are. How retarded for believing such things.

While that will not yield any real results either, it's easier for them to feel stupid when you do this.

The other way around, you're elevating the discussion to something akin to intellectual, and they will feel good exposing their own points of view in a proper discussion.

Seriously, you really have to be a retard to believe in something that has been disproved time & time again. The whole story has been patched so many times through the ages to cover up the most blatant plot holes, it doesn't even make sense anymore.

That's why they ask you to have faith. Which means, "Please, act like you're really stupid, and stop asking so many questions. Just believe me, ok?"

But it is true that if we normal people are to have any peace, we should strike the religious zealots first.

Just bomb 'em. That way, they'll move sooner closer to their God, and everybody's happy.

Cheers! :bottle:

[Anonymous]

i am apache.
that's all there is to it.

Sure. You're a blind, AIDS ridden Apache who lives by the river & fishes for his lunch, which happens to be a salad.

Fuck off, Blubber.

No one's buying your crap anymore.

Your lies have been exposed time & time again.

And I promise you this.

Every time I catch you lying on a thread, any thread, I'll make a point of reminding everyone what a stupid lying asshole you are.

If you post decent stuff, I have no reason to go after you.

THAT is all there is to it.

Cheers! :bottle:

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Oops! I hit the "thanks" button instead of the "quote" button.

Laugh at them. Point out how stupid, ignorant & superstitious they are. How retarded for believing such things.

I'm not trying to start a fight with you bro, but you do realize that some of the greatest minds (Einstein, Galileo, Pasteur, Newton, etc..) to ever walk this earth believed in a God? Are they stupid and ignorant?

[Anonymous]

I'm not trying to start a fight with you bro, but you do realize that some of the greatest minds (Einstein, Pasteur, Newton, etc..) to ever walk this earth believed in a God? Are they stupid and ignorant?

First of all, I really don't know if they believed in God, and I don't really give a fuck.

Second, there are different types of intelligence.

I have this friend who really is a genious. You wouldn't believe how fast he picks up on new stuff. Constantly. His main hobby are computers, and the guy really knows everything from MS-DOS to Windows 7, programming, & a bunch of other shit I don't even know what's it called, so I really cannot do justice to his genious in this department. His IQ is over 150.

However, the guy is dumb. Really dumb. He can't think for himself. He believes anything you tell him. And the schemes he comes up with are pretty ridiculous.

He's actually working as a teacher because he's both too lazy & too stupid to start a business on his own.

So, while I am very proud to call this person a very good friend, because he's a really cool guy whom you can absolutely trust with your life, I must say that being a genious doesn't really mean that you're smart.

Cheers! :bottle:

[Seshmeister]

I'm not trying to start a fight with you bro, but you do realize that some of the greatest minds (Einstein, Galileo, Pasteur, Newton, etc..) to ever walk this earth believed in a God? Are they stupid and ignorant?

For three of those then coming out and saying they didn't would have led to them being killed or at least their lives being made very awkward. Einsteins belief in a God is always over egged he usually used it in the sense of meaning 'nature' or everything rather than a living Christian style god.

Also there have been absolutely huge advances in science since those guys were around and advances in fields like physics and genetics have proved at least a literal interpretation of the bible is plain wrong. Almost all top scientists even in the US are not religious nowadays.

[lesfunk]

God? No God? I don't give a shit. There are plenty of smart people that have faith. There are plenty of smart people that don't. There are also plenty of dumb people who believe and plenty of dumb people who don't.
So fuck off and give me a present already

[kwame k]

For three of those then coming out and saying they didn't would have led to them being killed or at least their lives being made very awkward. Einsteins belief in a God is always over egged he usually used it in the sense of meaning 'nature' or everything rather than a living Christian style god.

Also there have been absolutely huge advances in science since those guys were around and advances in fields like physics and genetics have proved at least a literal interpretation of the bible is plain wrong. Almost all top scientists even in the US are not religious nowadays.

Really the Bible is more morality tales then the actual, everything in this book is true word of God. Sure some of the Moralities of old don't fit our Moralities today but that is why religion changes to fit the times. The way people worshiped in say 600 AD is a helluva lot different than today. Every generation interprets the Bible to fit into the context of their time.

As we understand more about our world and what makes it up...the less we rely on the Bible to explain those things. We discard them and move on. At least people with half a brain do.

If you look at the Bible that way it makes more sense. Morality tales and stories trying to explain nature/natural disasters are as old as man. Retelling popular stories from different cultures and incorporating them into your own story was done by everyone who had contact with other cultures. We still do it today...look at popular British TV shows, we retool them for the American audience but they are not the original shows.
Compare the Epic of Atra-Hasis and to some extent Gilgamesh, too. Similar stories to explain a flood and the main influence for Noah's flood story. These stories were told for years before they were written down and the best ones were the ones that got retold, built upon by other story tellers and finally written down.

[Seshmeister]

I think in a way the failure of Christian preachers to be honest with their congregation or at least more thoughtful is self defeating.

Say a preacher gets up and tells the story of Jesus telling the story of the good Samaritan then that's all good. It's a story, it's presented as such and it has a moral message.

Everyone sings a song(in my culture that means a mind boggling misery of 19th century melody) and then he stands up again.

He starts droning on about the census making Mary and Joseph go to Bethlehem and immediately the guy that was putting himself up there as a kind of wise person giving out some moral advice is standing in public saying something that is completely untrue and verifiable as such. We know there was no Roman census in those times in that area and even if there was it is absolutely inconceivable that the Romans would make everyone travel to where their forefathers were born to take part in it. Absolute fucking insanity. The Roman government is going to stop anyone doing any sort of work to pay for their extremely expensive empire for a couple of months whilst everyone shuffles around trying to travel to where their great great grandfather was born to be counted? And at the end of this bizarre and unique event in the history of the Romans noone wrote it down?

I'm saying all this like a smartass but like most people I never even thought about that lunacy until a few years back and that is the power of shit that is stuck in your head at an early age.