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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49567

    #16
    Originally posted by sadaist
    You're dreaming.

    Where would he go? Back to Mexico? There aren't jobs there either (his reasoning for coming here in the first place). And in the US he gets health care & his children go to school for free. He can also receive other government benefits. So why would he leave?
    Sorry for putting actual facts in the debate, but....:

    Illegal immigration down - because of economy or border control?
    New data show the illegal immigrant population in the US plunged between 2008 and 2009. The report has sparked a debate about the reasons behind the decline and what it means for reform.


    By Daniel B. Wood, Staff writer
    posted February 11, 2010 at 6:56 pm EST

    Los Angeles —
    A report that America’s illegal immigrant population declined by almost 1 million in one year is fomenting hot debate about why it is happening, whether the statistics are correct, and how the numbers should affect US immigration reform.

    The number of illegal immigrants living in the United States dropped to 10.6 million in 2009 from 11.6 million in 2008, the sharpest decrease in 30 years and a second straight year of decline, according to a Department of Homeland Security report released this week.

    Some immigration-control groups say the decline is happening primarily because of a buildup of border patrol and surveillance – and that the buildup should thus continue to further reduce illegal immigration. Other groups claim it is a result of the poor economy. Some say it is both, and still others doubt the statistics altogether.

    “I think it’s all about the economy. There is no evidence that we are ‘controlling’ illegal immigration better than in the past,” says Tomás Jiménez, assistant professor of sociology at Stanford University in Palo Alto, Calif. “In fact, the success rate of those attempting to cross illegally hasn’t changed at all. If anything is ‘controlling’ illegal immigration, it’s the economy, and we aren’t exactly in control of that.”

    Groups that want to restrict immigration are concerned that immigrant-rights groups will use the new report to argue that it’s now OK to legalize illegal immigrants who remain in the US or to allow their numbers to shrink through attrition.

    “At a time when enforcement was beginning to pay dividends, the Obama administration has curtailed many aspects of enforcement – particularly in the workplace,” says Ira Mehlman of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). The report is excellent evidence that illegal immigration is controllable, says Mr. Mehlman. “In addition, the administration and congressional leaders have promoted the idea that an amnesty might be forthcoming. At a time when many illegal aliens might be contemplating returning home, the talk of amnesty is giving them a reason to remain."

    Immigrant support groups, on the other hand, worry the new data will help stymie immigration reform.

    “Now that the decrease statistics are out, ICE [Homeland Security's immigration enforcement agency], Republicans, and Democrats can take credit for their tough stance on immigration," says Randy Ertll, executive director of El Centro de Accion Social in Pasadena, Calif. "Future congressional candidates will use this as an example that their leadership in controlling immigration is working. However, we know that the current immigration laws are outdated and need to be revised/reformed.”...

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    • sadaist
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jul 2004
      • 11625

      #17
      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
      Sorry for putting actual facts in the debate, but....:


      The number of illegal immigrants living in the United States dropped to 10.6 million in 2009 from 11.6 million in 2008,


      That is a far cry from any type of major exodus of illegals.
      “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49567

        #18
        These guys will!!
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        • VanHalener
          ROCKSTAR

          • Nov 2006
          • 5451

          #19
          Hey, a million illegals out per year works for me. A million back in legally is cool with me as long a they are not looking for a free ride on my tax dollar. Anyone related to Sammy Hagar should be deported and/or kept out of the country permanently.

          America is a melting pot, so lets roll one and work it out.

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          ~Only you can prevent low volume~

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          • Hardrock69
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Feb 2005
            • 21897

            #20
            For the 50th time, I don't mind it when people come to this country to live LEGALLY.

            If they cross the border illegally, they are a fucking CRIMINAL because they BROKE THE FUCKING LAW. PERIOD! END OF FUCKING STORY.
            At least I am not such a fucking Nazi-asshat to suggest they be shot on sight.

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            • thome
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Mar 2005
              • 6678

              #21
              Who wants to bet the exact number of dirty messcans that didn't get on Nick's "Actual Survey" is the same number that were blown asses off by the drug border wars murdered by thier own dead pieces of sh!t that would normally be walking back and forth between america the imigration holding cells deportation points and mexico.

              Any Takers..?

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              • IcarntRite55
                Banned
                • Jul 2010
                • 74

                #22
                poncho he live the american dream

                poncho

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                • GAR
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10881

                  #23
                  Originally posted by VanHalener
                  A million back in legally is cool with me as long a they are not looking for a free ride on my tax dollar.
                  You're not in the full-time workforce yet, are you..

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                  • thome
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 6678

                    #24
                    Who knows where the largest<( bad descriptive word)...?...ahh///the busiest embarcation point for Illegal Alien Messicanz is located ..?

                    Within 1 mile of what Factory.

                    2 Points 1 Guess.

                    Don't bother trying to find out perhaps it will all become more real than just hearing the FUKKING CRAP shoveled down your throat by the media and thier RITES ACX<(insert swastica X)TIVIST AGENDA!!!

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