What If The Bible Is Really True? Parts 1 & 2

[binnie]

They both are theories. Look at how much science changes over the years. We know less about this world than we know and only a fool would say they know it all. There is a lot of corruption in science as well. Scientists can be bought off like anyone else to further someone's agenda.

I think the safe place to be is to look at everything and not just pigeon hole yourself in one spot because the church, family, school, employer, or society said it's the way it is. More people need to think for themselves. I mean open up a science journal from 60 years ago and have a good laugh. Some of it will still be right on the money and a good share of it will be what in the hell were they thinking?

They are both theories, true. However, one theory is based on empirical evidence and written by men and institutions who are prepared to modify their theories as evidence emerges.

The other is 2000 years old and based on the wisdom of agents.

It's like medicine: 100 years from now cancer care may have moved on dramatically from where we are now. But as it stands, if I was diagnosed with cancer I would follow the advice of a doctor rather than a faith healer: both have 'theories' about my cancer could be cured, but I know who my money would be on.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Hey, I have one of those half-witted southern accents!

I live in the south and was brought up in a Southern Baptist church. Most of the sterotypes are pretty close to the mark - Southern Baptists despise cursing, drinking (smoking's ok though), gambling, dancing and as recently as 25 years ago still frowned on pretty much all secular music. And man am I grateful for that - otherwise we wouldn't have drive-thru beer stores all over the place where you can grab your beer without running into your Sunday School teacher!

thank god for kevin bacon...

[Seshmeister]

Science at it's best is nothing more than observation. It tends to be the most accurate in things that are easy to measure and repeat with constant results. Once you add in variables it becomes less accurate. Conventional science starts to fall apart when you get into geophysics because then you get into the space-time, time-space, and relativity aspect of the model. So what is true for a certain time or space may not be true for a different time and space. Like a photon. It's either a particle or a wave depending on the situation it's in. So when you start talking creationism and universes, you are in a whole different realm than just trying to make a physical observation here on planet earth.

You are completely ignorant of science. Just fucking clueless. Most people that know fuck all about something either don't talk about it or better go read up on it. You try and give lectures on stuff you know almost zero about. Will you please stop and go read a fucking book or something.

How about you start with something about geophysics which according to you science can't explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geophysics

Jesus...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

he left

[Seshmeister]

One problem with anything that is written is it can be interpreted wrong. What does 7 days and 7 nights really mean? That's a measurement of time and time is relative to where you are.

One of the problems with the 'each day in Genesis' is an age is that even if that were true what he does in each 'day/age' is still fucking senseless.

[Nitro Express]

You are completely ignorant of science. Just fucking clueless. Most people that know fuck all about something either don't talk about it or better go read up on it. You try and give lectures on stuff you know almost zero about. Will you please stop and go read a fucking book or something.

How about you start with something about geophysics which according to you science can't explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geophysics

Jesus...

Exactly what area of science are we talking about? Life is too short to read up on all of it. You talk about science in such general terms. May I ask what your scientific background is? I took physics and organic chemistry in college and got good grades in both. My degree is in international finance with a minor in statistics. From that I leaned you can lie real good with numbers and make people think it's real which of course governments and other organizations do all the time including in things like scientific studies you seem to put so much faith in. Much like the financial institutions people used to trust. So much for those AM Best AAA ratings on companies that failed and had to be bailed out.

I would say in this day and age be very wary of trusting any data. There seems to be a trend of tainting it to enrich whoever is providing the grant money.

[Nitro Express]

They are both theories, true. However, one theory is based on empirical evidence and written by men and institutions who are prepared to modify their theories as evidence emerges.

The other is 2000 years old and based on the wisdom of agents.

It's like medicine: 100 years from now cancer care may have moved on dramatically from where we are now. But as it stands, if I was diagnosed with cancer I would follow the advice of a doctor rather than a faith healer: both have 'theories' about my cancer could be cured, but I know who my money would be on.

Looking at what the industry charges for medicine and care it's all about money more than helping anyone. So you are back to making an informed decision yourself on who to trust basically. It's amazing all the different opinions you get from various doctors. At the end of the day you have to choose someone's advice.

[Nitro Express]

But here's some reading for you Sesh.

http://www.amazon.com/Science-God-Convergence-Scientific-Biblical/dp/076790303X

[Seshmeister]

Exactly what area of science are we talking about? Life is too short to read up on all of it. You talk about science in such general terms. May I ask what your scientific background is? I took physics and organic chemistry in college and got good grades in both. My degree is in international finance with a minor in statistics. From that I leaned you can lie real good with numbers and make people think it's real which of course governments and other organizations do all the time including in things like scientific studies you seem to put so much faith in. Much like the financial institutions people used to trust. So much for those AM Best AAA ratings on companies that failed and had to be bailed out.

I would say in this day and age be very wary of trusting any data. There seems to be a trend of tainting it to enrich whoever is providing the grant money.

You write about 4000 words a day on finance here mainly the same thing again and again but fine knock yourself out.

It's bullshit however for you to confuse the manipulation of data with the scientific method and evidence based thought. Your hypothesis seems to be everyone is lying so I'll just make up whatever I want and that is equally true. Well it isn't.

The reason I'm complaining today in particular is you say geophysics is beyond science. I think maybe you were mixing geophysics with string theory or something or maybe not?

When you go onto science it becomes a mixture of the odd random half truth like light is a wave and a particle and then crazy illogical suppositions.

Same goes for your earlier non argument about how no one knew anything 60 years ago so they know nothing now. That is just BS on every level. Back up your crazy thoughts with some sort of logic or examples or something.

[Seshmeister]

But here's some reading for you Sesh.

http://www.amazon.com/Science-God-Co.../dp/076790303X

Wow.

What a fucking idiot.

I'm amazed at the ridiculous mental gymnastics these people attempt.

[Nitro Express]

This facility in Washington state is interesting. I visited it last year. They are actually trying to measure ripples in space time. There are two more. One in Puerto Rico and one in Australia.

http://www.ligo-wa.caltech.edu/

[Blaze]

While were talking about unprovable theories, questionable science, descriptive qualities of God and while Nick is asking me to STFU I guess because of my theories of how to reduce war.

I think the many holy books are a historical event of eons. I think time lines where smashed together into the "word of God" that the word of God is a collective memory of time and space. Theory keep in mind.

I think we have been totally destroyed as a advanced civilization many times before, but at least once. Scattered to the four corners, or rather there were pockets of survivors in locations, maybe just one location but I doubt that because there is too much migration patterns of ancient man. I think we do not have record of this with the exception of the collective memory because like today most things would be gone in a few eons. That if there were only pockets of humans left in a few locations we would loose much of our brain trust in a few generations by shear survival.

Where and how we as self replicating being came to exist... that is still theory. Other than the fact , for the most part, have ears, eyes, nose, mouth, and what nots, we all are very different. There has been no real information on how we became so different. Sure it is said that environment play a rule into it. However, if that was the baseline fact why did people that live close to water not grow useful items like webbed feet.

As for God, as humans, I do not think we are able to grasp conceptually God. God is beyond human reasoning, at this point. Moreover, if we ever can, we will no longer be human.

[Seshmeister]

This facility in Washington state is interesting. I visited it last year. They are actually trying to measure ripples in space time. There are two more. One in Puerto Rico and one in Australia.

http://www.ligo-wa.caltech.edu/

Sorry to sound cynical but it's only a matter of time before someone starts a thread on the space shuttle and you reply 'well when I flew Columbia...'

[Seshmeister]

While were talking about unprovable theories, questionable science, descriptive qualities of God and while Nick is asking me to STFU I guess because of my theories of how to reduce war.

I think the many holy books are a historical event of eons. I think time lines where smashed together into the "word of God" that the word of God is a collective memory of time and space. Theory keep in mind.

I think we have been totally destroyed as a advanced civilization many times before, but at least once. Scattered to the four corners, or rather there were pockets of survivors in locations, maybe just one location but I doubt that because there is too much migration patterns of ancient man. I think we do not have record of this with the exception of the collective memory because like today most things would be gone in a few eons. That if there were only pockets of humans left in a few locations we would loose much of our brain trust in a few generations by shear survival.

Where and how we as self replicating being came to exist... that is still theory. Other than the fact , for the most part, have ears, eyes, nose, mouth, and what nots, we all are very different. There has been no real information on how we became so different. Sure it is said that environment play a rule into it. However, if that was the baseline fact why did people that live close to water not grow useful items like webbed feet.

As for God, as humans, I do not think we are able to grasp conceptually God. God is beyond human reasoning, at this point. Moreover, if we ever can, we will no longer be human.

That's interesting but have you ever looked into the flying spaghetti monster?

[Blaze]

That's interesting but have you ever looked into the flying spaghetti monster?

Actually, I have. I did not memorize much of it however. It's it just a rework of the Bible?