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  • jacksmar
    Full Member Status

    • Feb 2004
    • 3533

    War Between the States about slavery?



    I am responding to a column by Leonard Pitts Jr., a noted black columnist for The Miami Herald, entitled, "The Civil War was about slavery, nothing more" (Other Views, April 15).

    I found this article to be very misleading and grossly riddled with distortions of the real causes of the War Between the States. I find it so amusing that such an educated person would not know the facts.

    I am a proud native of South Carolina. I have spent my entire life in what was once the Confederate States of America. I am currently associated with Southern Heritage causes, including the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Tampa.

    It's been 150 years since brave, patriotic Southerners drove the imperialist Yankee army from Fort Sumter, S.C. It also marked the beginning of the Confederates' fight to expel this foreign army from the entire Southern homeland.

    After all these years, there still exists national historical ignorance and lies about this war. The War Between the States was about states' rights — not about slavery.

    Remember, the original colonies voluntarily joined the union and never gave up their individual sovereignty. These independent states always retained their right to manage their domestic affairs and to leave this voluntary association at any time.

    This voluntary union was for limited reasons such as national defense from the foreign powers, one language, interstate commerce, disputes between the sovereign states and matters of foreign affairs.

    When the Southern states tried to leave this union, the Northerners had to put a stop to this. The slavery issue was masterly inserted into the movement of Yankee aggression.

    We are a union of independent and sovereign states free to determine our own destiny. This sovereignty is meant to be free of Yankee federal domination and control. This should still be in principle and practice today as it was before the first cannon shots at Fort Sumter.

    Slavery of any people is wicked and morally wrong. Domination of one people over another is just as evil and morally wrong.

    The facts are that throughout history, just about every race of people has been slaves to another people. Slavery has always been a failed institution and a dark mark in history. One-hundred years before the first slave made it to the auction blocks in Virginia, African kings were running a booming enterprise of selling their own people into slavery. It was also customary that defeated people became slaves.

    Slavery as an institution worldwide was coming to an end before the War Between the States. Slavery in America would probably have come to an end within 50 years.

    The great eternal lie — that the war was to "free the slaves" — is still being propagandized today by modern spin-makers, schools and even scholars. But the facts are plain and quite evident if you were to take off your Yankee sunglasses.

    The Army of the Potomac invaded the South to capture, control and plunder the prosperity of Southern economic resources and its industries. This army also wanted to put a final nail in the coffin of states' rights.

    If, and I say this with a big if , the War Between the States was to free the slaves, please answer these simple questions:

    Why didn't President Lincoln issue a proclamation on day one of his presidency to free the slaves? Why did he wait so many years later to issue his proclamation? Why was slavery still legal in the Northern states? Before 1864, how many elected members of the imperialist Yankee Congress introduced legislation to outlaw slavery anywhere in America?

    The slaves were freed — and only in territories in rebellion against the North — because the Army of the Potomac was not winning the war and Lincoln was fearful of foreign nations recognizing the Confederacy.

    The Northern states needed a war to fuel their economy and stop the pending recession. The North needed rebellion in the South to cause havoc in the Confederate states. The North wanted the hard foreign currency being generated by Southern trade.

    I hope this year not only marks the celebration of the brave actions of Southerners to evict the Northern Army at Fort Sumter but leads to the truthful revision of history about the war. Future generations should know the truth.

    Al Mccray is a Tampa businessman and managing editor of TampaNewsAndTalk.com.
    A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder
  • Hardrock69
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Feb 2005
    • 21897

    #2
    And the Republican Party would love nothing more than to own slaves....

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32942

      #3
      Both parties are turning us into slaves. It's called inflation, loss of jobs, loss of choices, higher taxes, and rampant government spending, and non stop wars.

      I think the two biggest scams going in the US are called the Republican and Democrat parties. Everyone seems to think it's the other guy who caused all the problems.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59624

        #4
        And which "states rights" were they bitching about, for the most part?

        The "right" to own other human beings, and use them as farm equipment.

        Maybe we should call up General Cartman E. Lee and schedule another re-enactment?

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32942

          #5
          Originally posted by FORD
          And which "states rights" were they bitching about, for the most part?

          The "right" to own other human beings, and use them as farm equipment.

          Maybe we should call up General Cartman E. Lee and schedule another re-enactment?

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          It wasn't slavery that set off the powder keg. It was smore schnapps.
          Last edited by Nitro Express; 04-25-2011, 01:01 PM.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • hambon4lif
            Crazy Ass Mofo
            • Jun 2004
            • 2810

            #6
            I see the weekly Klan Koffee Klutch has now moved to Mondays, eh Jack?

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            • Satan
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Jan 2004
              • 6664

              #7
              Yeah, the amount of alcohol consumed (thanks to the sponsors) certainly didn't help matters....

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              Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

              Originally posted by Sockfucker
              I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32942

                #8
                No. Mondays are the Nazi beer fest.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • Hardrock69
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 21897

                  #9
                  Also....I would think this thread should go in the Front Line perhaps?

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                  • jacksmar
                    Full Member Status

                    • Feb 2004
                    • 3533

                    #10
                    Originally posted by hambon4lif
                    I see the weekly Klan Koffee Klutch has now moved to Mondays, eh Jack?
                    Ham buffoon, your insipid remarks and your tiresome blather have helped you to become the innocuous tard of the RothArmy. You’re not fit to carry Sammy Hagar’s guitar case.

                    You’re the typical dumbass that has to see race, gender, age, etc. to justify labels and form a line of thought.

                    And before you reply with your bleat, blather, parrot remarks; don’t. Your carbon footprint won’t be missed.
                    A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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                    • Satan
                      ROTH ARMY ELITE
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 6664

                      #11
                      Funny thing is, Florida had nothing to do with the CSA.
                      Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

                      Originally posted by Sockfucker
                      I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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                      • Jagermeister
                        Full Member Status

                        • Apr 2010
                        • 4510

                        #12
                        This will be SHOCKING thought for some but.

                        Ever think that if we had not brought those people in to be slaves we wouldn't have nearly as many of the free loaders here to this day. Great thing our ancestors did for us there huh?
                        Were there no Mexicans that we could have had pick cotton back then?

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                        • hambon4lif
                          Crazy Ass Mofo
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 2810

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jacksmar
                          Ham buffoon, your insipid remarks and your tiresome blather have helped you to become the innocuous tard of the RothArmy. You’re not fit to carry Sammy Hagar’s guitar case.

                          You’re the typical dumbass that has to see race, gender, age, etc. to justify labels and form a line of thought.

                          And before you reply with your bleat, blather, parrot remarks; don’t. Your carbon footprint won’t be missed.


                          You're just being pissy 'cause I caught you up to your same old shit........yet again!

                          These race-related stories you drop in Non are becoming weekly installments.......old......predictable......and 'tiresome'.

                          The most laughable part is that you think nobody knows what you're up to, but no one's as dumb as you are, and the only 'footprint' I see is the one across your forehead, Adolf!

                          better luck next week!

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                          • Guitar Shark
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7579

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jacksmar
                            Ham buffoon, your insipid remarks and your tiresome blather have helped you to become the innocuous tard of the RothArmy. You’re not fit to carry Sammy Hagar’s guitar case.

                            You’re the typical dumbass that has to see race, gender, age, etc. to justify labels and form a line of thought.

                            And before you reply with your bleat, blather, parrot remarks; don’t. Your carbon footprint won’t be missed.
                            LOL. How about you "form a line of thought" and actually provide a thought of your own about an article that you copied and pasted?

                            I'm willing to acknowledge that the Civil War wasn't solely about slavery, but to suggest that slavery played no role whatsoever is just idiotic. Anyone who has done even a minimal amount of reading on the issue will understand that the only "state's right" the southern states were truly interested in protecting was the right to keep slaves.
                            ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                            • jacksmar
                              Full Member Status

                              • Feb 2004
                              • 3533

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Hardrock69
                              Also....I would think this thread should go in the Front Line perhaps?
                              Hardrock, I would have place this on the Front Line but this was an opinion piece. This response, to the Pitts column, was to an opinion piece as well.

                              What I read from both opinions was a view from both sides in each column. This was a major event in our history and cannot be viewed with the tunnel vision people use to catalog issues presently.

                              Hope that makes sense.
                              A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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