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  • DLR Bridge
    ROCKSTAR

    • Mar 2011
    • 5470

    Good point. Spalding Gray comes to mind, as well.

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32798

      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I don't but I don't have a problem with you going if that's what floats your boat. I went to church once or twice after I turned 18. I lived in a hippy commune with Jesus Freaks for awhile but they believed you should worship in a one to one basis instead of a group thing. They would discuss their beliefs with each other but not in a formal service type setting. They let me stay with them during the week for a little while so I wouldn't have to drive 150 miles round trip by myself after my brother got a better job. I just crashed there monday through friday. Most of the time it was monday through thursday. One of the members of group worked with me. We called him Wolfman at work. He was brother Chris at the commune. They didn't force their beliefs on me but they suggested I change my ways on a regular basis.
      You have to allow freedom of religion or you don't have freedom. As long as there is separation of church and state and no criminal activity is happening like child abuse or terrorist harboring is happening then let people live the way they want to live. We never will agree on religion and politics. Those are the two topics you stay away from if you don't want arguments to ensue.

      We don't have a state religion forcing you to go and we don't have insurrections torturing you if you don't do what the church says. If people think a religion free state will bring a better life I'm sorry. That's been tried and it didn't bring a better life. Oddly enough people are running to religion in those places where it once was outlawed.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        Originally posted by Nitro Express
        You have to allow freedom of religion or you don't have freedom.
        Simply and well said...

        Just when I thought Nitro was going off the deep end he comes back with a voice of reason...

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        • vandeleur
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Sep 2009
          • 9865

          What if my religion means bombing your religion
          fuck your fucking framing

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32798

            Originally posted by Seshmeister
            Depends what the beliefs are.

            Too much respect is given to beliefs I'm all about the freedom to say that a belief is wrong and why.

            Religions don't stand up to scrutiny and that's why the people that run them don't like questions being asked.
            You also don't have a free society if you can't question the church. One powerful glue that holds various church's together is family tradition. See what happens when you tell your orthodox jewish parents, stout Mormon parents, or devout Islamic parents that you are marring outside of the faith. It's not pretty. People have to remember leaving a religion or not towing the traditional line might mean loss of family.

            It's a complicated issue.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Angel
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Jan 2004
              • 7481

              Originally posted by Seshmeister
              I think when we hear the phrase clinical depression most of us we compare it to a time when we were unhappy or grieving for a loved one and that's not what it's like by all accounts.
              No, it's not. It's more like a thick black cloud that encompasses your brain, and it just keeps getting thicker and darker. Eventually, you get to the point where you can't stand it anymore. You are convinced that your loved ones, and the world in general, would be much better off without you around. The longer the depression, the more negative the thinking. Eventually, you get to the point where you believe that ALL problems are your fault, and everyone in your life will be happier once you, the problem maker, are gone.
              "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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              • Seshmeister
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Oct 2003
                • 35205

                That's exactly the definition a clinician gave me yesterday when we were chatting.
                Not in a professional capacity I better add...

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32798

                  Originally posted by vandeleur
                  What if my religion means bombing your religion
                  That problem tends to rear it's ugly head when you don't have separation of church and state. See why Israel is a failure is it's a theocracy. The only way that place really would work is to have separation of church and state and freedom of religion. Jews, muslims, and christians have lived together and got along fine. It's when someone politicizes religion is where the trouble tends to happen.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Kristy
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 16341

                    Originally posted by Seshmeister
                    This was recorded in 2010, he had an unsuccessful suicide attempt last year...
                    No such thing. Either you want out or you're a pussy.

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                    • Kristy
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 16341

                      Originally posted by ELVIS
                      And I'm all about the real freedom and liberty that only comes from faith in Jesus Christ, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT!!!!

                      You're a SAD SHELL OF A HUMAN BEING...
                      How Christian

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                      • Nitro Express
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 32798

                        To be honest. I was always skeptical of this clinical depression definition. Then we had a neighbor who suffered from it. She had a daughter the same age as our daughter. The mom just stopped functioning. Lost her job. Never mentioned suicide by my wife and I were concerned she was in the danger zone. We called her brother and he came and tried to help her. No luck. She finally ended up getting comitted to the state mental hospital. Whatever they did there helped her. She got out. She got a new job. Remarried. Things seem to be working for her now.

                        This was a person who was well educated and very capable of being a good employee. It's just that something would set her off and she would fall into these deep depressions and not function. It didn't matter if she was responsible for her daughter or what kind of responsibilities she had. I've never seen that before or since.

                        So yeah there are those manic depressive people and it seems like the right professional can help them but I think too many people use depression as an excuse. I'm not buying we have as many depressives as the statistics claim.
                        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32798

                          Originally posted by Kristy
                          No such thing. Either you want out or you're a pussy.
                          Jump! Might as well jump!

                          No one will ever accuse Kiss' Gene Simmons of not speaking his mind. One day after Simmons and his Kiss Army were ordered to surrender by the Black Lips, resulting in an ill-fated "learn English" jab by Simmons, the bassist made some irresponsible comments about depression that have angered Mötley Crüe's Nikki Sixx, Loudwire reports.

                          In an interview with Songfacts.com, Simmons essentially dismissed depression as a mental disorder. "For a putz 20-year-old kid to say, 'I'm depressed. I live in Seattle.' Fuck you, then kill yourself. I never understand, because I always call them on their bluff. I'm the guy who says 'Jump' when there's a guy on top of a building who says, 'That's it, I can't take it anymore. I'm going to jump.' Are you kidding? Why are you announcing it? Shut the fuck up, have some dignity and jump! You've got the crowd," Simmons said. "By the way, you walk up to the same guy on a ledge who threatens to jump and put a gun to his head, 'I'm going to blow your fuckin' head off.' He'll go, 'Please don't.' It's true. He's not that insane."

                          Mötley Crüe bassist Nikki Sixx chastised Simmons on his Sixx Sense radio show. "It's pretty moronic because [Simmons] thinks everybody listens to him, that he is the God of Thunder. He will tell you he is the greatest man on earth, and to be honest with you, I like Gene. But in this situation, I don't like Gene. I don’t like Gene's words," Sixx said. "There is a 20-year-old kid out there who is a Kiss fan and reads this and goes, 'You know what? He's right. I should just kill myself.'"

                          Sixx added, "For people who are depressed, there is a way out. There are many, many ways out. And I don't want people to listen to an interview from a rock star, who's telling you the only way out is out." Sixx is just the latest person to get mad at something Simmons has spouted. Previously, the Kiss bassist generated some controversy when he said he supported Donald Sterling in the fight over the Los Angeles Clippers, adding that while what Sterling said was "heinous," he shouldn't be castigated for remarks made in private.
                          Mr. Simmons agrees with you Kristy.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32798

                            Suicide and religion. Only at the Roth Army.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • ELVIS
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 44120

                              Originally posted by Kristy
                              How Christian
                              Let those who love the Lord hate evil

                              Psalm 97:10

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                              • Angel
                                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 7481

                                Originally posted by Seshmeister
                                That's exactly the definition a clinician gave me yesterday when we were chatting.
                                Not in a professional capacity I better add...
                                Nobody had to tell me. It's not pleasant, trust me.
                                "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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