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  • Angel
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7481

    #16
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I'm at least 1/4 Cherokee but I never got this "our land" or "your land" bullshit. If one group of "indigenous people" decided they wanted anything, including land from another group of "indigenous people" they just killed them and took it. And they damn sure didn't care how they did it. The killing of the buffalo for their hides and leaving the meat to rot was shitty but taking land by force was done for thousands of years before the white man ever made his way to "the new world".
    BTW The white man wasn't the only one killing indigenous people and taking their land. The Spaniards wiped several varieties of native people off the face of the earth in the southern part of North America. The Japanese killed thousands of natives on pacific islands during WWII and took their land before the allies killed them.
    I don't know about your history, but we signed Treaties with numerous Nations. We were supposed to share the land according to the treaties. But then we created the Indian Act, and made them all wards of the state. The land we granted them they only have the rights to about 2" depth. This was done to guarantee crop failure, and mineral rights belong to the province. Many have fought for land claims, and they almost always win...once it reaches the Supreme Court level.

    As for violence among various nations...some were violent and territorial, some weren't. West Coast Natives had a complex international trade route, and on the prairies, there were gatherings and trades between the groups. That is why their oral traditions have so much similarity. Saulteaux and Cree's have very similar teachings, but they are different "tribal" groups. All groups had governance and a justice system.

    The violence your talking about is probably some of the southern states tribes; however, the studies done have been by anthropologists who look at the artifacts to make their conclusions, and have not consulted with Elders...who hold the knowledge that has been passed down.
    "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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    • DONNIEP
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Mar 2004
      • 13373

      #17
      Blah blah blah...who cares! Let's all cut school and smoke this big ass bag of weed I scored from that slutty chick in chemistry class!
      American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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      • Angel
        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
        • Jan 2004
        • 7481

        #18
        Chemistry class!?!? Where's the fucking acid, man???
        "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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        • Angel
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7481

          #19
          He he...managed enough deals that I end up paying 60 for half an oz. Smoke em if you got em!
          "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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          • PETE'S BROTHER
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Feb 2007
            • 12678

            #20
            Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32798

              #21
              Originally posted by cadaverdog
              I'm at least 1/4 Cherokee but I never got this "our land" or "your land" bullshit. If one group of "indigenous people" decided they wanted anything, including land from another group of "indigenous people" they just killed them and took it. And they damn sure didn't care how they did it. The killing of the buffalo for their hides and leaving the meat to rot was shitty but taking land by force was done for thousands of years before the white man ever made his way to "the new world".
              BTW The white man wasn't the only one killing indigenous people and taking their land. The Spaniards wiped several varieties of native people off the face of the earth in the southern part of North America. The Japanese killed thousands of natives on pacific islands during WWII and took their land before the allies killed them.
              The indians that were around here were the renegades from various tribes that packed up and they could be your worst nightmare. Lot's of atrocities on record. The one that set off the Bear River Massacre was when a rogue band of indians attacked a wagon train and cut an 11 year old girl's legs off at the knees and forced her to run around on the stumps until she died.

              Not exactly nice people. But then when the pay back came the natives who had nothing to do with it got raped and slaughtered. Why? It gave some higher ups the excuse they were looking for. It's no different in Israel or the Ukraine. Never let a crisis go to waste. The natives were in the way, once they gave the government and oligarchs the excuse they needed, time to mop up.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32798

                #22
                Mao once said power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Mao was right.

                People can have all the hippi dip dreams they want and live in happy land. That's fine until the day someone blows that happy smile off your face. History repeats itself over and over and over. The natives lost their land for one simple reason. They couldn't beat their enemies. They didn't have the technology. That's why most of our technology goes to the military first. It's either there to protect us from an aggressor or to be the aggressor. It's all about power kid. The rest is conversation.
                Last edited by Nitro Express; 09-09-2014, 11:02 PM.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • Angel
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 7481

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Nitro Express
                  The indians that were around here were the renegades from various tribes that packed up and they could be your worst nightmare. Lot's of atrocities on record. The one that set off the Bear River Massacre was when a rogue band of indians attacked a wagon train and cut an 11 year old girl's legs off at the knees and forced her to run around on the stumps until she died.

                  Not exactly nice people. But then when the pay back came the natives who had nothing to do with it got raped and slaughtered. Why? It gave some higher ups the excuse they were looking for. It's no different in Israel or the Ukraine. Never let a crisis go to waste. The natives were in the way, once they gave the government and oligarchs the excuse they needed, time to mop up.
                  The Bear River Massacre was the Shoshone people, not renegades from various tribes. Yeah, they were brutal...when they were being starved because of settlers decimating their food sources...and they never cut any girls legs off, ffs.
                  "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                  • cadaverdog
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 8955

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Nitro Express
                    The natives lost their land for one simple reason. They couldn't beat their enemies. They didn't have the technology.
                    Triangulation of smoke signals would lead us right to them everytime.
                    Beware of Dog

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                    • Angel
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7481

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Nitro Express
                      Mao once said power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Mao was right.

                      People can have all the hippi dip dreams they want and live in happy land. That's fine until the day someone blows that happy smile off your face. History repeats itself over and over and over. The natives lost their land for one simple reason. They couldn't beat their enemies. They didn't have the technology. That's why most of our technology goes to the military first. It's either there to protect us from an aggressor or to be the aggressor. It's all about power kid. The rest is conversation.
                      For one thing, I'm not taking these classes for some "hippie dippie" reason. The most marginalized people where I live are First Nations, and chances are I will have clients that practice traditional culture. The Social Work profession hasn't been very kind to our Native peoples. In order for me to support them, I need a broad understanding of their culture, including traditional ways...

                      There was no blood shed in Canada, and they entered into negotiated agreements to share the land. Treaties...they honoured their side, the Canadian government broke almost every promise made...and that's why they have won almost every case taken to the Supreme Court.
                      "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                      • Nitro Express
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 32798

                        #26
                        Of course the Canadian government broke every promise. They could get away with doing so. It's the same old story everywhere. He with the gold and the guns rules. But then those who make the rules now want to get rid of excess white people as well. So let's make them hate themselves and saddle them with white guilt. Let's turn the men into guilty little fairies and turn the women into men. Let's mentally skull fuck anything that will produce a normal nuclear family. Children are evil and so are old people. In the 2,000's everyone is equally worthless. As our natives down here like to joke,"Everyone is on the reservation now.".
                        Last edited by Nitro Express; 09-10-2014, 01:25 AM.
                        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32798

                          #27


                          Every super lifer optimist has their face pushed into reality in due time. How did Occupy Wall Street work out? Nice guys finish last. All you can do is survive and enjoy life's little pleasures. We've had search on the internet for 15 years. It hasn't liberated anyone. It's just become a spying device for the assholes who are in power. Assholes who don't care about anyone but themselves. Situation normal all fucked up.
                          Last edited by Nitro Express; 09-10-2014, 01:40 AM.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • SunisinuS
                            Crazy Ass Mofo
                            • May 2010
                            • 3301

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Nitro Express

                            Every super lifer optimist has their face pushed into reality in due time. How did Occupy Wall Street work out? Nice guys finish last. All you can do is survive and enjoy life's little pleasures. We've had the internet for 15 years. It hasn't liberated anyone. It's just become a spying device for the assholes who are in power. Assholes who don't care about anyone but themselves. Situation normal all fucked up.
                            That is why every Super Lifer Optimist reaches down under the dash and hits the Nitro. Our face looks like we chased cars....but that is in my rear view mirror.

                            Music video by Van Halen performing Bullethead. @ 2012 The Three Twins, LLC and Diamond Dave Enterprises, Inc., under exclusive license to Interscope Records



                            And I never use my real name on the intertubes...that might have been your first mistake. Second mistake is thinking that you have anything to spy on....share your kids and personal photos with people actually in the house... Third mistake is.....


                            Get more Andrei Sakharov and less believing in the bullshit. The interwebs have changed the world for the better. Porn.

                            Last edited by SunisinuS; 09-10-2014, 01:55 AM. Reason: I wanted to Embed but since Kristy Hates me being Embed with her...I decide to remind you of how to drive. Shame.
                            Can't Control your Future. Can't Control your Friends. The women start to hike their skirts up. I didn't have a clue. That is when I kinda learned how to smile a lot. One Two Three Fouir fun ter thehr fuur.

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                            • Kristy
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 16344

                              #29
                              Today I learned about the Construction Of the Fascism scale hypothesis and how it relates concerning the way in which some deep-lying trend in one's personality might express itself in some opinion and/or attitude that was dynamically - though not logically - related to prejudice against outgroups or how it can be used as a preliminary sketch for an item(s) usually not far to seek - like a phrase from a headline or an utterance by an interviewee, or a fragment from an ordinary conversation.


                              Not like this type of shit ever happens around here.

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                              • Angel
                                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 7481

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Kristy
                                Today I learned about the Construction Of the Fascism scale hypothesis and how it relates concerning the way in which some deep-lying trend in one's personality might express itself in some opinion and/or attitude that was dynamically - though not logically - related to prejudice against outgroups or how it can be used as a preliminary sketch for an item(s) usually not far to seek - like a phrase from a headline or an utterance by an interviewee, or a fragment from an ordinary conversation.


                                Not like this type of shit ever happens around here.
                                Holy run on sentence...

                                Yesterday I learned about sacred tobacco and protocol in gifting elders...
                                "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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