Explain the problem with gay marriage

[Cathedral]

It's not natural, it's an abomination and i refuse to accept it. that is that, as they say.

[FORD]

Fine, if it's abomination for you, then don't marry a guy. Simple as that.

But to throw the entire country away on a single issue like that is simply MORONIC.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Cathedral
It's not natural, it's an abomination and i refuse to accept it.

What, Austrians?

[LadyTudor2711]

Originally posted by Marlowe01
explain how, in any way, allowing "fags" to get married interferes with ANYthing.

Hey Marlowe:

It really does not interfere with anything it is just another issue for the ultra conservatives to carry-on about.

Let them get married, pay the taxes and deal with the same issues as married people.

To me, what is silly is that certain states like Vermont recognizes gay marriage, while other states do not. So you are considered married in VT, but not in Connecticut or Illinois?

If it's going to be legal it should be across the board, but this will never happen, well, not at least for another 30 years or so.. Pot will become legal in all states before gay marriage.

If gay marriages are to be recognized they should be on a statewide level, not just certain states, otherwise it is totally pointless.

People can commit to each other without having to be married. Unmarried people can have children and live normal, happy and productive lives. So why does a piece of paper validate that commitment?


However, gay men have difficulty adopting children, (which is usually the evolution of a marriage) but gay women can go to a sperm bank or ask a trusted friend and have a child of their very own. Parental rights are another issue.

I can see how that would be difficult thing for a gay male couple who really does want children. The ironic part of this is that some gay men would actually be better parents than some hetero couples.

Many are certainly in the higher income bracket and have the money is takes to care for child/children. This is a topic for another thread.

I am not even sure what the values of our age really are, but I know what is important to me.

I like variety in people and men in my life, after a while the same one can get tiresome and when that happens it is no fun for anyone, the game playing... all the rest .. Because when it is over and you can never really get it back.

Put it this way, if is is meant to be it will happen. Why does getting married make it better? Does it really?

I just hate to see women/men who are always on the prowl for that special guy/gal. Thinking that getting married will solve their problems.

If you are gay and feel the need to commit find a lawyer and share your property, accounts, the plane and whatever else divorced people fight about. The dog.., the beach house, your Tiffany Lamps, whatever....

That is the piece of paper you'll need, that will validate your commitment to each other. Wearing a ring and sharing the same last name does not make for a happy marriage or relationship.

So if gay couples can be married be prepared to deal with the same and pitfalls as the heterosexuals do.

It is just sad that we the people and the government have to take time to define or redefine what a marriage is and that it can only occur between a man and woman. blah, blah.

If people spent less time worrying about what other people are doing and spent more time on their own lives people would probably be much happier.

Another great vent, a bit long, thanks.

Best,
LT

[twonabomber]

Originally posted by LadyTudor2711

If people spent less time worrying about what other people are doing and spent more time on their own lives people would probably be much happier.

that applies to half the arguments in this forum...

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by FORD
Fine, if it's abomination for you, then don't marry a guy. Simple as that.

But to throw the entire country away on a single issue like that is simply MORONIC.

I'm not throwing anything away becuase i have no control over what the government does with this issue.
I vote against it and the Supreme Court renders the votes unconstitutional.
But i am on record as not supporting it, and that is what is important to me.
Truth is, I don't have a voice on the matter.
But i will not support it and/or recognize their unions as a "marriage" in my presence.
And unless i am asked my opinion on it, it never becomes a topic of disussion.

If that pisses people off then fine, that is what i believe and what i'll continue to believe becuase it is my right to do so.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Catfish
The problem is that marriage is between a man and a woman. That’s what marriage is.

I have no problem with your ‘fags’ getting married or whatever. Just call it something else because it ain’t marriage.

Marriage means something to people who embrase it and they're not in a rush to bastardize its meaning.

Music used to be about rythm, harmony and melody. Then came hip hop and (rap and all of a sudden that noise is also considered music.

A word´s definition may evolve and people have to live with it!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by DaveIsKing
Speaking of J-Lo, as long as she gave me that nice, plump ass to rub my face in, I'd be happy for a month or two.

Goddamn what a beautiful masterpiece--that ass... MMMMMMMmmmm

That ass is fat!

Why do people like fat asses??

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
That ass is fat!

Why do people like fat asses??

I once heard on American "shock (disc) Jockey" Howard Stern's radio show that one of his staff-members dates J-Lo's sister. Stern said she was MUCH hotter than J-Lo is. All the body without the big ass thing going on.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
That ass is fat!

Why do people like fat asses??

The bigger the cushion
The sweeter the pushin'!!!

Or so I have read!!!

[academic punk]

The politics of gay marriage is being lost in the base, fundamental argument against it.

Gay men and gay women do nothing to further populate the planet. It's the same premise as the pro-life platform, the anti-masturbation and anti-condom stance of the church, and a host of other examples.

Sperm should never be wasted.

Especially - PARTICULARLY! - at this time in the world where the planet is severly over-populated and ever increasing.

MORE PEOPLE!!! MORE CANON_FODDER!!! MORE FACTORY SLAVES!!! MORE, I SAY, MORE!!!!!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by academic punk
The bigger the cushion
The sweeter the pushin'!!!

Or so I have read!!!

I read that a too hard matress was bad for your back!

[kentuckyklira]

Small minds find comfort in opposing anything they can´t understand!

[Hollywood Jesus]

I honestly believe that gay marriage lessens the sanctity of the bond. I believe it weakens a building block of society. I'm not questioning a homosexual's right to have sex with another consenting adult, live with a partner and/or work wherever they can find and keep gainful employment.

My arguments are for what's best for society as a whole; not what's best for my homosexual friends.

1) Homosexual marriages have absolutely no potential to naturally procreate or even represent procreation. ALL hetero couples have/had the potential to procreate. Even at its most sterile level, a hetero couple represents procreation. Promoting procreation is BEST FOR SOCIETY. Society cannot survive without it. Procreation is the most basic building block of society.

2) Same-sex marriages authorize a weakening of society by condoning a non-growth relationship. I argue that there is a distinctive human maturity that is only possible through living with a member of the opposite sex. A same-sex relationship is narcissistic, self-serving and relatively stagnant because the other person is so similar. Is it harmful to accept less? I don't know. What I do know is that it's not BEST FOR SOCIETY to endorse the false maturity of a homosexual relationship by making it equal to a hetero marriage.

3) Presumably, soem married homosexuals will want to have adopted children. There are countless studies showing the importance of both a mother and father in child rearing. We know this from the damage divorce and single-parenthood have done. A biological father and mother are best for a well-developed and behaved child. Children raised by loving biological parents are BEST FOR SOCIETY. Society loses its best hope when parents are single or of the same sex. To argue in opposition would demean either a father or mother's value to child rearing. Yes, I expect some homosexual couples might make fine parents. They're simply not what's best for society and should never be endorsed as such.

In summary, because homosexual marriage offers so much less to society, that union also deserves much less in return. Certainly not equality.

[Hollywood Jesus]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
Small minds find comfort in opposing anything they can´t understand!

I guess that's why you have a tough time understanding my view.


Some things you oppose precisely because you understand...like Sammy singing with VH.