Bye bye John Kerry?

[Viking]

I think Clark had foreknowledge of it because it was spoon-fed to him by the Klintons. If a Dimocrat wins in '04, ol' Fat Knees is going to have to wait until at least 2012 to have a clean shot at it, regardless of the '08 outcome. Personally, I don't think she has a snowball's chance in Hell of putting her cloven hoof on a bible and watching it smoke while lying through the Oath of Office - if a scandal doesn't bring her down, a bullet probably will.

[EAST COAST]

VIKING, you are right on the money.. if she ever sleezed her dyke self into the office , her sexual preferences would get her laughed out or shot.. not to mention the usa is still not strong enough mentally to let a woman be the pres., so she would probably get shot for that as well... FORD, all due respect the media is far and away slanted to the mainstream libs... why do you think they created fox news and the no spin zone, be real

[John Ashcroft]

Originally posted by FORD
The mainstream media's not liberal...

ABC News just admitted that they are...

From ABC News "The Note"

"Like every other institution, the Washington and political press corps operate with a good number of biases and predilections. They include, but are not limited to, a near universal shared sense that liberal political positions on social issues like gun control, homosexuality, abortion, and religion, are the default, while more conservative positions are conservative positions. These default positions include a belief that government is a mechanism to solve the nation's problems, that more taxes on corporations and the wealthy are good ways to cut the deficit and raise money for social spending, and don't have a negative effect on economic growth, and that emotional examples of suffering provided by unions or consumer groups are good ways to illustrate economic statistic stories. More systematically, the press believes that fluid narratives in coverage are better than static story lines, that new things are more interesting than old things, that close races are preferable to loose ones, and that incumbents are destined for dethroning somehow. The press, by and large, does not accept President Bush's justifications for the Iraq war in any of its weapons of mass destruction, imminent threat, or evil-doer formulations. It does not understand how educated, sensible people could possibly be wary of multilateral institutions or friendly sophisticated European allies. The press does not accept the proposition that the Bush tax cuts helped the economy by stimulating summer spending. The press remains fixated on the unemployment rate. The press believes that President Bush is walking a fine line with regards to the gay marriage issue, choosing between tolerance and his right-wing base. The press still has a hard time understanding how, despite the drumbeat of conservative grass roots complaints about overspending and deficits, that President Bush's base remains extremely and loyally devoted to him. The press just doesn't understand that but looks for every opportunity to find cracks in that base. Of course, the swirling Joe Wilson and National Guard stories play right to the press's scandal bias, not to mention the bias towards process stories - grand juries produce endless process - the world view of the dominant media can be seen in every frame of video and every print-word choice that is currently being produced about the presidential race.

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It's in their own words fellas

[FORD]

Of course, you forgot to quote this part...

But we do want to highlight one textbook case of how the right cleverly uses the modern media conveyer belt to produce sound and fury about Democrats who they want to take down.

The sequencing is pretty basic: they start by handing something to one or more right-leaning Web sites.

That begets talk radio, which begets cable TV (usually FNC first), which begets a Washington Times story, which leads to other newspaper stories, and then, finally -- pay dirt -- network television coverage.

On Monday, the conservative website NewsMax.com ran a 1970 photo of John Kerry with Jane Fonda. Kerry seems for weeks to have gotten positive mileage in his paid and free media on his Vietnam-era personae, and whoever put the photo out there was clearly hoping to dirty that up with some Hanoi Jane stuff.

And after passing through all the steps above, the picture yesterday found some morning show traction.

Corbis -- who owns the rights to the picture -- tells ABC News that it is a huge seller right now, to the media and others.

Now if the corporate media were so "liberal", why the Hell would they ever take a story seriously if it came from NewsHax, FAUX, or the Moonie Times, all of which are known right wing propaganda spin sources??

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Originally posted by FORD
Either Dean or Edwards (hopefully Dean) will defeat Junior

Just a tad bit of wishful thinking there, eh FORD ???

Edwards will be Kerry's VP when they unseat Dubya, with another Bush losing after one term.....

[FORD]

Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Just a tad bit of wishful thinking there, eh FORD ???

Edwards will be Kerry's VP when they unseat Dubya, with another Bush losing after one term.....

Not even the DLC is crazy enough to run 2 senators on the same ticket. Especially when both are likely to be replaced by nominees of Republican governors in their home states.

A senator hasn't won the White House since 1960, and despite having the same initials, Judas ain't no JFK!!

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Yeah, good point....

It'll be interesting to see who he picks as his running mate...

For his sake, it better not be a Quayle-equivalent...

[knuckleboner]

i've heard of somebody in texas (don't remember the name.)

but i think that edwards is still the best choice.

ford's 100% right about there being concern about losing 2 senators. but the fact is, the senate's currently republican. another 2 seat loss won't give the republicans veto-proof.

but getting the white house is big.

the democrats need somebody southern to balance new england yankee, kerry.

edwards is a relatively young, personable guy who's so far run an extremely positive campaign, who is not just a southern senator, (north cakalacky) but grew up in the south (south cakalacky).

the entire south voted bush in 2000. picking off 1 or 2 of those states would be a big help.

there's NO CHANCE dean's the vice presidential choice if kerry gets the nominiation. a democratic ticket with a massachusetts senator and a vermont governor won't fly. they win only be default, if the republican LOSES the election.

[John Ashcroft]

[knuckleboner]

shouldn't one of those red counties in the extreme southeast be blue??

[FORD]

Originally posted by knuckleboner


there's NO CHANCE dean's the vice presidential choice if kerry gets the nominiation. a democratic ticket with a massachusetts senator and a vermont governor won't fly. they win only be default, if the republican LOSES the election.

And if we weren't living in Bizzaro world with the Pravda-BCE media, that would already be the case. We have an economy far worse than 1980 with a quagmire on the level of Vietnam. If the corporate media had existed in 1968, LBJ could have won by a landlside.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by FORD
We have an economy far worse than 1980 with a quagmire on the level of Vietnam.

debatable on both subjects. (stagflation, interest rates in the high teens, gas lines out the wazoo, 50,000+ soldiers dead)

but either way, i don't think the media matters much in a potential kerry/dean ticket. 2 north eastern democrats will not win at all in the south.

[FORD]

I don't think a Kerry/Dean ticket would happen anyway, because they can't stand each other, and that feeling also applies to suuporters of the candidates (just check Democratic Underground).

The animosity between Poppy Bush and Jellybean Ronnie in 1980 has nothing on this campaign.

[ELVIS]

Clinton and Gore couldn't stand each other either..

So what the f**k...

[KANE]

FORD Why you you deleting my post's Chumley, didnt agree with it, takin advantage of that moderatin gimmick are ya ?