Congress Funds Mandatory Psychological Tests for Kids

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Hmmm.....I agree for once.

Stop the presses!:D

[Ally_Kat]

John, I can't think of anything to say and that makes me feel bad

I'm always on AIM, so if ya need someone to joke around with, I'm here.

[lucky wilbury]

here a hardball tip for you JA: check into the doctors background and see if there are any complaints that have been filed againest her and what their for. if the doctor has a history of complaints and they focus on the manipulation of pantients in her care you can use that to sue the doctor for malpractice AND you can use it in court to gain custody of your kids by showing that your soon to be ex is unstable and is easly manipulated.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Can't really think of dating just yet Sesh, although I'd love to do it just to see if she understands the choice she's made. I'm just not interested in anyone really. I suppose it's due to the fact that I've been faithfully married for 12 years, and literally grew up with my wife. I've become everything I am with her. I really don't know how to be anyone else. I guess I better figure the shit out soon, huh? (Ally, maybe you can help here... :D )

I didn't realise you were so far down the road with this. I saw it as a bluff and to play the jealousy card. Much as I think counsellers are full of shit there is some truth in the fact that you can view a divorce situation the same as the 5/7/9 stages of grief.

I've watched people enough to see there is truth in it.

Shock
Denial
Bargaining
Fear
Anger
Despair and finally Acceptance.

To be honest people going through anger are actually more fun to talk to than the other stages.

Sounds like you're making the best out of a bad situation which is really all you can do. No point in screwing your life up over it.

Cheers!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
here a hardball tip for you JA: check into the doctors background and see if there are any complaints that have been filed againest her and what their for. if the doctor has a history of complaints and they focus on the manipulation of pantients in her care you can use that to sue the doctor for malpractice AND you can use it in court to gain custody of your kids by showing that your soon to be ex is unstable and is easly manipulated.

Interesting. It'd be worth checking out at least. You never know if maybe your wife went to the female version of Charles Manson.

[Cathedral]

This is some fucked up shit to say the very least. there will never be any testing done on my child unless someone wants lead poisoning, I simply won't have it.
But then again my kid is in private school, so maybe it won't be an issue?

And John, let me get this straight. Your wife went to a psychologist to see about mending her relationship with her mother, and ended up persuing a divorce from you?
How in the fuck did that happen? I don't get that at all.

Maybe you should ask her to at least seek a second opinion and see what a different psychologist has to say about this?

I wouldn't give up without a fight, but i strongly urge you NOT to try and make her jealous with another woman. That gives her a whole lot of advantage, and could screw up the arrangement with the house and joint custody with the kids.
Dude, I have seen many psychologists over the last several years learning to deal with watching my wife die slowly, and once they started drifting off the issue at hand i walk out the damn door.

They start digging into my childhood and asking questions about my father and my mothers past, drinking habits, social habits, emotional incidents...just basically looking for some trigger that set off my inability to cope.
But i always stopped them and asked, "What does this have to do with how i feel about watching the mother of my child die and not being able to help her?"
It's a fucked up situation when people start exploring someone else's brain, especially when they don't know first hand what is really going on.
What i find really disturbing about your situation is that i haven't read anywhere from you that you were a part of any of these sessions.

The diagnosis, and final decision was made without the psychologist ever including you at all?
That is just fucking whacked man, and i feel so badly for you over this.

I would very seriously take a hard look into the past of this so called psychologist because there is a hell of a lot more going on than you apparently know about.
I know i would demand to have a consultation with this psychologist and ask some questions about how she came to the conclusion that your wifes problems with her mother tie in to ripping your family apart.

Every one i have ever seen at one point tried to get me to bring my daughter in, to which i answered immediately "NO WAY".

Damn man, I wish there was something i could do to help you with this because i really don't get where it all ended up at all.

All i can suggest is that you ride the lightning and hope like all hell that she wakes up and understands that she is really hurting the kids by ending the marriage.
Regardless of what that damned psychologist says, breaking up the family is a traumatic experience for the kids, and they do not understand it.

Dude, I'll pray for you, that's all i know to do.

My best to you man, i know this is tough and if you need a friend to vent on just email me and if you want to talk i'll send you my number.

I'm just floored by all of this shit...Be strong man.

[BigBadBrian]

You're a tough cookie, Cat. I know you're going through a lot yourself. Wise words my man.

JA, try to stay strong. Whomever you have a lot of personal confidence in around you, I hope you're relying on that person more than ever now. You can always come here to shoot the breeze with us, but I hope you have some family and friends locally you can rely on. We're pulling for you on this one, buddy.

[Seshmeister]

Yeah.

Obviously this is the internet and we're only hearing one side but it seems really fucked up.

As I said in my previous post my idea about playing a jealousy card was before I realised how far down the line this was.

Cat I totally understand where you're coming from in your post. The Seshmistress has been chronically(but not terminally) ill for about five years now. People don't understand that it's not like the movies.

Ill people can be bastards to those closest to them even if they appear to be superbrave to everyone else.

You've been dealt a shitty hand and me to a lesser extent.

You chose God I chose Havana Club rum!

Take care man.

Cheers!

[Switch84]

Originally posted by Warham
I agree with all of you on this one.

Mandatory testing is a very disturbing prospect.

This is some scary shit! I'm even more concerned for my nieces and nephews now after reading this thread.


Wow! We're ALL AGREEING ON SOMETHING!!!!!


KEWL!

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Yeah.

Obviously this is the internet and we're only hearing one side but it seems really fucked up.

As I said in my previous post my idea about playing a jealousy card was before I realised how far down the line this was.

Cat I totally understand where you're coming from in your post. The Seshmistress has been chronically(but not terminally) ill for about five years now. People don't understand that it's not like the movies.

Ill people can be bastards to those closest to them even if they appear to be superbrave to everyone else.

You've been dealt a shitty hand and me to a lesser extent.

You chose God I chose Havana Club rum!

Take care man.

Cheers!

Sesh, i was not aware of your wife's illness and i wish you the best in the outcome. We don't choose our battles in some cases, but we can carry on and learn to cope even if it doesn't come naturally.

I let out just a little more than i really wanted to in a forum such as this, but to express my opinion i had to open up a tad.
It usually comes back to haunt me, but opinions and mean sprited people don't get me down.
All of the people i know here, and respect, are fighters. It is in our nature and it shows in our posts.

Even though things can get pretty tough on us from time to time. I have learned first hand that no matter how bad someone has it, there is always someone who has it worse.

Life is a gift, and we only get one...the rest is up to us regardless of what we believe in or how we feel at any given moment.
We just have to make damn sure that we focus on whats good in life and avoid letting tragedy rob us of great memories and the good times we've had.

[John Ashcroft]

Guys, my heart goes out to you. Cat, you're right of course. I'm extremely greatful that my wife and children are healthy. It certainly could be worse. Cat, I know you've been through the ringer, and even though we're "strangers" in one sense of the word, I find it amazing that we all may know a bit about eachother that many don't. Simply by the nature of this place. I think it's kind of cool really, and it's refreshing to get a different perspective on any given issue or situation. It's quite clear I enjoy this place, and the people who converse here. In fact, something struck me when OD said he understood why I hate liberals. I simply don't hate anybody. I disagree with the liberal ideology, but enjoy debating it with them. I know we throw around alot of "fuck you's" and "dumb-asses" when arguing a point, but I see it more as a ribbing rather than hate. I think the guys who've argued with me for the last few years understand this, right? I've got a bunch of liberal friends, both military and civilian. We don't agree on anything political, but we camp together, ski together, shoot the shit, drink beers, etc. etc. Good people for sure (albeit misguided :D ). You've got to understand this. I wish more would. Throughout the time I've been posting around here (and at Von's site), we'd get visitors from places like the D.U. And they'd hate any other perspective (and the people offering it). But I've found they abandon ship when they realize that, for instance, I may call Pinky a "Dumb Commie Bitch" in one thread, then ask her "how she's been" in another (or ask for nekkid pics...). I think the ones who are just a bit too ate-up with politics don't know what to make of this place. It's part of the reason I like Ford so much. Yeah, he's crazier than a shit-house rat for sure :D , but he sticks it through and doesn't take his ball and run home with it. Plus, he's actually got conviction with his beliefs. Of course, that's why we gave him so much shit for turning his support to Kerry... heh heh heh... Pussy!

Anyway, like I've said, I've been holding this since February. About friends, yep, they've been helping me tremendously throughout this ordeal. I guess I just figured there's nothing to hide anymore. The topic of this thread hit a nerve, and I guess it was time to unload. I'm not afraid to give my life's experiences around here. And that's due to the types of things I said above. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'd love to have a beer (or five) with anyone who posts here. You all are very interesting people. Oh, to answer a couple of questions, yes, I've checked into the possibility of suing the Psychologist. Since my wife still believes in the bullshit she "learned" through her sessions, I don't stand a chance (It'd be entirely different if say my wife came around and would testify with me about the bitch, but she's still convinced that her and her psychologist have got it all figured out). So, it'd be "he said - she said". I've been asking my wife to go to some sort of joint counselling since this all started. She simply won't do it (again, she and her psychologist have figured it all out. What does she need more counselling for?). So, I've just got to bite the bullet. But once the shock wore off, I did start to fight back. That's why I'm getting the split custody and house. (Old J.A. can still negotiate with crazy people... I guess I owe some of you a drink for keeping me in form :D . Who knew it'd come in handy later in life??? :D )

Anyway, I really do appreciate all of your concern. Like I've said, you all rock. Ally, I still want those pics BTW... Now more than ever! :D I really appreciate hearing the stories about the psychology "profession" from you guys. It's validated everything I've suspected about the "profession" for a long time. And yes, it's interesting that my wife went in to discuss her relationship with her mother (had a big blow-out in January), and it turned so quickly into a quest to kick me to the curb. And I can tell you, I was worried from the moment I saw the "recommended reading" list this crazy bitch gave my wife. All feminist bullshit. I should've run for the hills then! I would love to just sit down with her, and bring along my children, and let her see the 4 and 6 year olds who's lives she's just turned upside-down. Let her see first hand the destructive consequences of her "advice". Then I'd like to find a clock tower... Oh, never mind... You didn't just see that... Nothing to see here!

Thanks again everyone.

[Cathedral]

Amen to ya, JA!
But you know, and i'm not sure how things work in your part of the country, but around here Judges can rule that couples seek counseling before granting them a divorce.
And you just hit on something that could, depending on the laws, get you and her in that direction.

You proposed counseling, which in my mind makes you a stand up guy. So make sure that you mention that to anyone who will listen that has the power to let things happen the way her psycho tells her it should.
Hell, put it to her like this, "If our children mean anything to you at all, at least seek another point of view for their sake. why put all your marbles in one bag based on the clinical opinion of one person who could possibly be wrong?"
I think your family and it's emotional future is worth it, what can it hurt?
If she is so confident in what this one psycho says, i don't see the harm in getting a second opinion.

If it is turly what she wants to do, at least you'll know you gave it hell, which i am quite certain you have done this far.

My heart weeps for you man, you are much to good a guy to be treated in this manner.

[Cathedral]

Oh, and one thing that popped into my head just now.
Ask her if she still loves you, her answer will most likely let you know if there is even a glimmer of hope that she'll realize the extent of the manipulation she has bought into.

If she says NO, it will hurt, but at least you'll know where you stand.
If she says Yes, then there is a chance that someday she'll see the error in judgement she has made and begin to mend the relationship.

Just a thought...

[John Ashcroft]

Thanks dude.

Well, in Oklahoma, all that's mandated to get a divorce is a 4-hour "divorced parenting" course. We have what's called "no-fault" divorce laws, where a divorce will be granted so long as one person in the marriage wants it. Unfortunately, legally I can't stop it. I've been trying for the better part of a year. In fact, the reason I'm going to be officially divorced next week is because the machine rolled ahead without me. I've fought the good fight, I'm now relegated to picking up the pieces. Wife simply won't go to joint counselling. I've almost exclusively discussed our children's well being when trying to take some sense into her head. She believes the kids will be fine. Get this, her psychologist has her believing the kids will actually be better off. Because "how can the kids get the attention they need from you if you're unhappy?" I'm not kidding here. She's actually convinced that once she finds "romance" again (BTW, this is what it's all really about), she'll be living on cloud 9 and the kids will be better off. It's kinda like living in the twighlight zone. I can't believe this bullshit is actually still pushed. I may be wrong, but I think her psychologist got her degree on a mail-in program from Oprah. Also, she doesn't love me anymore. She's said so. She cares for me, but doesn't get "that feeling" anymore with me (again, it's all down to the "Pretty Woman" syndrome). It sucks, but it's over. In the morning I can smile and joke (like today), at night I'm a bit more depressed. Just gonna have to figure out how to deal I suppose. My wife actually tells me to go to the doctor for some good drugs! She believes strongly in the psychological profession and their methods, I do not. I will not drug myself into happiness (plus, beer is cheaper... Heh heh .. Just kidding). Anyway, I've tried everything and anything to prevent next week. The deck is stacked against me here. Again, there's an industry built on divorce. I've read up on it a bit. Dissent is simply useless right now. Hopefully as the Conservative movement grows, some common sense and decency will be interjected into the legal system. Till then, there will be thousands more cases like mine.

[Cathedral]

Dude, i'm speechless now..
Just pray that she doesn't expose your kids to something violent when she finds this "romance" she is seeking.

The grass is always greener, until they discover it's actually astroturf.

Let me know if i can help in any way, bro.