President Bush, I need some advice regarding God's Laws and how best to follow them

[Cathedral]

Don't listen to anyone at all, don't ask anyone anything at all.
Just seek a "personal" relationship with God and go from there.

I myself don't follow anyone when it comes to faith issues, and i go to church to worship, not fall in line with what corpoarate church has going on.

Lean not to your own understanding, if you seek the Lord he will guide you...it's actually that simple.

And if you choose not to believe in God, that is your decision to make.

I'm not a preacher, I'm a sinner, and I, as many, fall short of his grace.

Bottom line, Opinions are like assholes and everybody has one. Make up your own mind and remember that "Free Will" is a double edged sword.
I refuse to ever get involved with any more faith based discussions, and if i do, you'll see this post repeated, lol.

[Warham]

Why is being against gay marriage make you a homophobe?

A homophobe is a person who hates or is scared of gays and everything they stand for. You can be a person who has gay friends and family, loves them, and STILL believe gay marriage is not right.

Bush is trying to head off those liberal activist judges at the pass. Perhaps he is going for the jugular too soon.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Don't listen to anyone at all, don't ask anyone anything at all.
Just seek a "personal" relationship with God and go from there.

The world would be a much better place if people actually did that!

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
The world would be a much better place if people actually did that!

Amen to that, and if people looked more into themselves rather than some guy standing on a pulpit, there would be a lot less Millionaire Evangelist Preachers taking their money and giving God a bad name that nobody can have faith in.

Ooops, I said way more than i wanted to, lol.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
Why is being against gay marriage make you a homophobe?

A homophobe is a person who hates or is scared of gays and everything they stand for. You can be a person who has gay friends and family, loves them, and STILL believe gay marriage is not right.

Bush is trying to head off those liberal activist judges at the pass. Perhaps he is going for the jugular too soon.

Only a hate filled person would want the Constitution of the United States ammended to take someone's rights away.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Why is being against gay marriage make you a homophobe?

A homophobe is a person who hates or is scared of gays and everything they stand for. You can be a person who has gay friends and family, loves them, and STILL believe gay marriage is not right.

Bush is trying to head off those liberal activist judges at the pass. Perhaps he is going for the jugular too soon.

What about "civil unions?" Gays don't deserve the same rights of property and personal choice that you and I have? I think it is an issue of personal liberty that should be handled by the states and not the federal government.

[Warham]

I didn't say anything about civil unions.

I personally believe gays should be allowed to have civil unions. That's about the only thing John Kerry and I agreed on.

[Pink Spider]

Re: President Bush, I need some advice regarding God's Laws and how best to follow them

Originally posted by ODShowtime
President Bush, I need some advice regarding God's Laws and how best to follow them

Dear President Bush:

11/26/04 "ICH" -- Congratulations on your election victory and for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. As you said, "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18.22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

However, I do need some advice from you regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how best to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25.44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21.7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Leviticus15.19-24). The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord. (Leviticus 1.9) The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35.2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus11.10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?

7. Leviticus.21.20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus19.27. How should they die?

9. I know from Leviticus 11.6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean. May I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19.19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Leviticus 24.10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, as we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Leviticus 20.14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Yours truly,
An Inquiring Supporter

P.S. I look forward to your answers because there are a number of other issues that I'd like to get settled as soon as you've enlightened me on these ... Thanks again.

I think we've already beat these pretty good, but I like having them all in one place.

So many people are going to hell. :p

[Pink Spider]

Originally posted by Warham
I didn't say anything about civil unions.

I personally believe gays should be allowed to have civil unions. That's about the only thing John Kerry and I agreed on.

So, what if non-Christians were the only ones allowed to get married and all Christians were made to had civil unions. I bet then you'd change your stance on civil unions. What purpose does it serve? How does it effect you personally by letting gays have the same rights? Just wondering.

I'm still in favor of abolishing government sanctioned marriage since the majority gets to abuse someone's civil liberties when they feel like it. There's just no good reason for it.

[Warham]

Where did Christians come into play here? I never said anything about Christians, did I? If all Christians ever knew were civil unions, so be it.

[FORD]

What Pinky says makes a lot of sense here. Let's make all of the legal arrangements into civil unions, with the exact same rights for any couple, straight or gay. The churches, synagogues, mosques, Elvis drive through chapels and whatever would be free to set their own policies regarding ceremonies.

No fucking with the Constitution neccessary.

[Pink Spider]

Originally posted by Warham
Where did Christians come into play here? I never said anything about Christians, did I? If all Christians ever knew were civil unions, so be it.

I was just making a comparison. Don't play the persecution card.

[Pink Spider]

Originally posted by FORD
What Pinky says makes a lot of sense here. Let's make all of the legal arrangements into civil unions, with the exact same rights for any couple, straight or gay. The churches, synagogues, mosques, Elvis drive through chapels and whatever would be free to set their own policies regarding ceremonies.

No fucking with the Constitution neccessary.

I meant getting government out of it entirely. There's always room for abuses like we see today as long as they're involved. But, civil unions for all, right now would be better than nothing.

[Warham]

Alright, we'll just get rid of marriages and civil unions altogether.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Pink Spider
I was just making a comparison. Don't play the persecution card.

Who's being persecuted? You brought it up.