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  • Warham
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Mar 2004
    • 14589

    An “Alarming” Flip-Flop
    Krugman says Social Security is in crisis. Wait — no — he says it's fine.

    Paul Krugman devotes his New York Times column today to promoting the lie that the Social Security system is "in pretty good financial shape." Krugman counsels that we ignore "alarming reports generated by people who work at ideologically driven institutions" who are "itching for an excuse to dismantle the system."


    Here's an example of the kind of "alarming report" that Krugman warns against:

    In 2010 ... the boomers will begin to retire ... The budgetary effects of this demographic tidal wave are straightforward to compute, but so huge as almost to defy comprehension ... Yet if you think even briefly about what the Federal budget will look like in 20 years, you immediately realize that we are drifting inexorably toward crisis; if you think 30 years ahead, you wonder whether the Republic can be saved.
    That "alarming report" was "generated" in 1996 by Paul Krugman himself, and it was published by an "ideologically driven institution" called the New York Times.

    But that was when there was a Democrat in the White House, a man who pretty much never gave Social Security a second thought. Now there's a Republican in the White House, a man who has made Social Security reform through private accounts a signature policy initiative. Can America's most dangerous liberal pundit stand by and let conservatives rein in America's largest New Deal-era program? Of course not! So now the "crisis" that he himself called "inexorable" in 1996 simply doesn't exist anymore.

    Krugman has completely reversed his 1996 position that Social Security's problems are "so huge as almost to defy comprehension." How so? Because, he says, if you consider Social Security and Medicare together, then "only 16 percent of that $44 trillion shortfall comes from Social Security." What a wonderful example of Evasion English. "Only 16 percent" means "only $7 trillion" — about the same size as the entire gross federal debt.

    Krugman now relies heavily on "the fact that Social Security, unlike the rest of the federal government, is currently running a surplus." In other words, payroll taxes coming in are greater than benefit payments going out. The surplus goes into the Social Security Trust Fund, held in reserve to pay benefits in the future, when taxes coming in are no longer sufficient. So, no problem.

    But here's what Krugman had to say about that in 1996:

    ... aren't Social Security and Medicare basically pension funds, in which workers' contributions are invested to provide for their retirement? Hardly. A private pension fund that planned to pay the benefits these programs promise would be accumulating huge reserves. In fact, the so-called "trust funds" are making barely any provisions for the future.
    He's right. And it reads just like something from the Cato Institute, complete with the withering quotation marks around "trust fund," and the dismissive "so-called."

    Here's the reality, and it's as real today as it was in 1996. When payroll tax surpluses come in today, the government takes them and issues a Treasury bond to the "so-called 'trust fund.'" And then the government simply spends the money.

    That's right — the government has borrowed and spent all the money in the "so-called 'trust fund.'" Every penny.

    According to the 2003 annual report of the Social Security and Medicare Board of Trustees, current taxes won't be enough to pay current benefits starting in 2018. Heading into that date with destiny, the payroll tax surplus will get less and less, so the government is going to have to find somewhere else to borrow the money.

    After 2018 the Social Security system will have to start dipping into that "so-called 'trust fund'" to pay the benefits no longer completely covered by payroll taxes. But it will find that there's no money there. Just Treasury bonds. In order to turn those bonds into money in order to pay benefits, the Social Security system will have to redeem them or sell them. And as the old Wall Street joke goes, "Sell? To whom?"

    Think of the "so-called 'trust fund'" as a huge long-term holder of federal debt that one day decides to unload it on the market. Where's the money going to come from to buy it?

    And as if that's not bad enough, even the "so-called 'trust fund'" will be exhausted in 2042, according to the Social Security trustees. No wonder the trustees wrote in their 2003 annual report that "the program continues to fail our test of financial balance by a wide margin."

    The only mystery is how Krugman could have stated in the very first sentence of today's column that "The annual report of the Social Security system's trustees reveals a system in pretty good financial shape."

    This is a shocking misrepresentation of what the trustees actually said. But it's not the only way in which Krugman's analysis of Social Security's finances is at utter variance with non-partisan expert judgment.

    He asks at the end of today's column, "Why is it so hard to say clearly that privatization would worsen, not improve, Social Security's finances?" Why? Because it isn't true. Steve Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, reported late last year that the ambitious private-account proposal put forth by Peter Ferrara of the Institute for Policy Innovation, which would dedicate half an employee's payroll taxes to private accounts, would strengthen the long-term fiscal solvency of the system.

    Why all the lies, and all the contradictions? Simple. For liberals, Social Security is a fortress of New Deal collectivism and paternalism that must be held fast against conservative assaults, at all costs. What liberals fear is that, through private accounts, system beneficiaries would become real stakeholders in America and captains of their own financial fates — not wards of the state, dependent on the whims of incumbent legislators to tell them what benefits they will be permitted to receive.

    The truth is that private accounts would both strengthen the integrity of the system and provide increased benefits for retirees, especially low-income and minority retirees. But that's a truth you're never going to read in the opinion columns of Paul Krugman, an economics professor who certainly understands the reality of the numbers in his heart of hearts — and who professes to be the champion of the "little people."

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    • DEMON CUNT
      Crazy Ass Mofo
      • Nov 2004
      • 3242

      Originally posted by Warham
      Now I know why you struggle with the basic tenents of the Christian faith. You have no concept of how they work from this latest babbling post of yours. Boy you really are the dumbest cunt here aren't you?

      98% of your brain doesn't function properly, but I'll get back to that in a minute.
      Blah, blah, blah... More typical Warham bullshit.


      Demon, I wasn't shown any pictures of demons or torture when I was raised a Christian in my youth, so I don't know who you are referring to by that. I went to good old church every Sunday and went to CCD every Monday night after school, and I was never taught to believe in Christ because otherwise I might go to Hell. And bringing up the crucifixion is really low for you, and that says alot. The crucifixion isn't the centerpiece for our faith, numbskull, the resurrection of Christ is! I don't see any torture in a resurrection of a man. You might, but I can understand why with that pea brain of yours.


      Was it the resurrection of Christ that clensed your sins? Or was it the BLOOD?

      In communion you eat the flesh and drink the blood? Right?

      So the old saying "Christ died for our sins" is incorrect? Should it be "Christ resurrected for our sins" then?

      The crucifiction is the centerpiece because God sacraficed his son. In biblical terms a sacrafice means to kill. It was the blood of Christ that clensed your sin not his raising from the dead.

      So you never read John 3:16? Doesn't "perish" in that verse refer to eternity in hell?

      How do you know Bush isn't a man of faith? Does that also mean I can that Bill Clinton isn't a man of faith because he got blowjobs from his intern. I mean, he said he read his bible all the time! Does that mean he's not a Christian? Does that mean that any man who might have faults (and that's every man) isn't a Christian if they say they are?


      Because men of faith follow the teachings of the faith. THOU SHALT NOT KILL? GW executed a record number of people while he was Gov. of Texas. Including some with mental disibilities who did not understand. Incuding a woman who became a Christian while in prison.

      THOU SHALT NOT KILL is very, very clear.

      I said nothing about Clinton. He is irrelevant to this conversation. I really don't give a fuck about Clinton.

      Is it that simple to be a Christain? All you gotta do is say is that you are one?

      Idiot. You have alot of learning to do before you talk about Christianity around here.
      Not really, but you can keep telling yourself that.

      Is this what you call turning the other cheek? Loving your enemies?
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      • DEMON CUNT
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Nov 2004
        • 3242

        Originally posted by Warham
        How is President Bush responding?
        To compensate for reduced benefits in the future, the president has charged his commission with exploring the “partial privatization” of Social Security. He favors diverting 2 percentage points of the payroll tax to individuals to invest as they see fit. Currently, Social Security reserves are invested only in ultrasafe government securities, which offer a very low rate of return—generally less than 3 percent. The president believes it makes more sense for people to put their own money in more profitable vehicles like the stock market, whose average rate of return since 1926 has been 7.7 percent.

        What do critics say about Bush’s plans?
        Opponents say that every one of the commission’s 16 members is at least somewhat predisposed to some form of privatization. They believe no real crisis will arrive until at least 2038, when the surplus will be exhausted. They also say that if the same projections used to justify the tax cut are applied to Social Security, the system will still be functioning in 2075. Many critics say that Social Security was meant to be a guaranteed base of retirement income, not an investment vehicle. Investing the money is all well and good in a bull market, but one could conceivably retire into a bear market at a heavy loss.
        Warham - quit fucking stealing your answers!

        What a dumb ass! You filthy plagiarist dicklicker!

        He copied this shit from here:

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        • DEMON CUNT
          Crazy Ass Mofo
          • Nov 2004
          • 3242

          Originally posted by jacksmar
          You’re so predictable demon.
          You want to compare those words to "Mein Kampf". A commie lib is so easy to read.
          One of the first issues Dolfie addressed in that tome was private gun ownership. That’s where I differ with all the commie libs. Dolfie, like American democrats, i.e. Rosie and FOrd, demoncunt, want private gun ownership controlled. The commie lib logic is along the lines of just the government officials should be able to carry firearms. This is because commie libs believe that government employees are superior to the governed and deserve special privileges...
          What the fuck? This rant is "unabomber crazy!"



          Get a clue and an editor, bro!

          You jack off to the Rush Limbaugh show, don't you?
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          • Warham
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Mar 2004
            • 14589

            Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
            Warham - quit fucking stealing your answers!

            What a dumb ass! You filthy plagiarist dicklicker!

            He copied this shit from here:

            http://www.theweekmagazine.com/briefing.asp?a_id=117
            Demon,

            I think Nick knows I copied it...like I copied all the other articles I posted.

            Are you an idiot or what?

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            • DEMON CUNT
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Nov 2004
              • 3242

              Originally posted by Warham
              Demon,

              I think Nick knows I copied it...like I copied all the other articles I posted.

              Are you an idiot or what?
              Nick? Can you verify what this cockhungry plagaristic dickeater is saying?

              By the way, can we just copy the first paragraph then a link? Not all of us want to read or scroll past lengthy articles from www.rightwingnews.com.
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              • Ally_Kat
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Jan 2004
                • 7612

                Originally posted by DEMON CUNT

                Was it the resurrection of Christ that clensed your sins? Or was it the BLOOD?

                In communion you eat the flesh and drink the blood? Right?

                So the old saying "Christ died for our sins" is incorrect? Should it be "Christ resurrected for our sins" then?

                The crucifiction is the centerpiece because God sacraficed his son. In biblical terms a sacrafice means to kill. It was the blood of Christ that clensed your sin not his raising from the dead.

                So you never read John 3:16? Doesn't "perish" in that verse refer to eternity in hell?


                Jesus carried the cross and its increasing weight represented the growing sins of the world. Him dying on the cross did not cleanse our sins. We are not Baptists. We do not hold that once in grace always in grace belief. What happened after rising from the dead was that Jesus ascended into Heaven and opened the gates for all those that acknowledged Him and His teachings. He was a new covenant that was established with His resurrection.

                Yes, when we celebrate Eucharist, we believe we are receiving the blood and body of Jesus Christ. This doesn't have anything to do with the crucifixion but with the Last Supper. He blessed the bread and wine saying it was His body and to do this ritual in remembrance of Him. We do not do it because of the crucifixion.

                Yes, Christ did die because of our sins, the entire world's, but it was with the resurrection that He gave us new life.

                The crucifixion is not the centerpiece of the Catholic faith. It was that third day when Jesus rose from the dead. Why? Because that proved He was the Son of God and that he was legit. it just wasn't some crazy guy proclaiming to be God. The crucifixion is an important symbol within the Church. It is a symbol of what had to happen because of mankind and the evils in the world. But alone, it does nothing to prove the Catholic faith. The centerpiece of the religion is the Resurrection because it fulfills the Scriptural prophecies. If you do not believe in the resurrection, than you are not Catholic -- or most any other Christian religion for that matter.
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                • BigBadBrian
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10625

                  Originally posted by Ally_Kat
                  If you do not believe in the resurrection, than you are not Catholic -- or most any other Christian religion for that matter.
                  Indeed.
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                  • DEMON CUNT
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 3242

                    Originally posted by Ally_Kat
                    Jesus carried the cross and its increasing weight represented the growing sins of the world. Him dying on the cross did not cleanse our sins. We are not Baptists. We do not hold that once in grace always in grace belief. What happened after rising from the dead was that Jesus ascended into Heaven and opened the gates for all those that acknowledged Him and His teachings. He was a new covenant that was established with His resurrection...
                    Thanks for your perspective. Clearly you pay attention in church.

                    I grew up a Grace Brethren (a little left of Baptist) later attending an Assembly of God church. Spent about 20 years practicing. Also went to a Christian school for 2.5 years until I insited that my parents send me back to public school half way through my freshman year.

                    I was taught pretty much what I talked about in my post, simple version, of course. I think we are finding out how the different sects interpret the stories.

                    Do you speak in tongues?
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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59570

                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      Indeed.
                      Then maybe you should quit falsely proclaiming Thomas Jefferson as a Christian?
                      Eat Us And Smile

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                      • Jesus Christ
                        Veteran
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 2433

                        Originally posted by Ally_Kat
                        Jesus carried the cross and its increasing weight represented the growing sins of the world. Him dying on the cross did not cleanse our sins. We are not Baptists. We do not hold that once in grace always in grace belief. What happened after rising from the dead was that Jesus ascended into Heaven and opened the gates for all those that acknowledged Him and His teachings. He was a new covenant that was established with His resurrection.

                        Yes, when we celebrate Eucharist, we believe we are receiving the blood and body of Jesus Christ. This doesn't have anything to do with the crucifixion but with the Last Supper. He blessed the bread and wine saying it was His body and to do this ritual in remembrance of Him. We do not do it because of the crucifixion.

                        Yes, Christ did die because of our sins, the entire world's, but it was with the resurrection that He gave us new life.

                        The crucifixion is not the centerpiece of the Catholic faith. It was that third day when Jesus rose from the dead. Why? Because that proved He was the Son of God and that he was legit. it just wasn't some crazy guy proclaiming to be God. The crucifixion is an important symbol within the Church. It is a symbol of what had to happen because of mankind and the evils in the world. But alone, it does nothing to prove the Catholic faith. The centerpiece of the religion is the Resurrection because it fulfills the Scriptural prophecies. If you do not believe in the resurrection, than you are not Catholic -- or most any other Christian religion for that matter.
                        Very well said, My child

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                        • Warham
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 14589

                          Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
                          Thanks for your perspective. Clearly you pay attention in church.

                          I grew up a Grace Brethren (a little left of Baptist) later attending an Assembly of God church. Spent about 20 years practicing. Also went to a Christian school for 2.5 years until I insited that my parents send me back to public school half way through my freshman year.

                          I was taught pretty much what I talked about in my post, simple version, of course. I think we are finding out how the different sects interpret the stories.

                          Do you speak in tongues?
                          That's funny that you find her post so informative when I told you the same fucking thing to which you responded with some more of your babble. If you'd actually read what I post instead of glossing it over, you might learn something.

                          What can I expect though?

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                          • jacksmar
                            Full Member Status

                            • Feb 2004
                            • 3533

                            Demon, still throwing names and comparisons. That’s the thought provoking stuff I look forward to. Usually comes from hating America. That’s what you have to do though to make yourself FEEL better. Rush doesn’t get me hard like he does you. That’s an easy one.

                            Commie lib must have hit home a little too closely. Nick, President Clinton is a communist sympathizer. You might re-think using him in any example.
                            I love the fact the Germany now belongs to the US and we there was never a Soviet Bloc or…..wait a minute. Did the US lose Germany? We took so much time to conquer Germany.

                            Nick you speak of rape and bogey men and Clinton and police states and don’t seem to bring up Waco much.

                            And you do make a good point about looking for other sources of information. I would suggest for you the first Chapter of The Gathering Storm.

                            To paraphrase: So 'Neocons' that have served in the military, pay their taxes, go to church, and are active in public organizations are second class citizens because they don't agree with your blind following of an idiot?

                            Warham covered the rest correctly. Sorry you can’t see New Deal politics for what they are.
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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49563

                              Originally posted by jacksmar
                              Demon, still throwing names and comparisons. That’s the thought provoking stuff I look forward to. Usually comes from hating America. That’s what you have to do though to make yourself FEEL better. Rush doesn’t get me hard like he does you. That’s an easy one.

                              Commie lib must have hit home a little too closely. Nick, President Clinton is a communist sympathizer. You might re-think using him in

                              To paraphrase: So 'Neocons' that have served in the military, pay their taxes, go to church, and are active in public organizations are second class citizens because they don't agree with your blind following of an idiot?

                              Warham covered the rest correctly. Sorry you can’t see New Deal politics for what they are.
                              Are we supposed to take you seriously with your simple minded "commie lib" crap?

                              Clinton was hardly a communist sympathizer. Try reading the 'Communist Manifesto' some time and then tell me all about what communism is.

                              The Neocons have gotten us into a disastrous war in which nearly 1,300 Americans have been killed. And OUR SOLDIERS HAVE TRIED TO KILL THEM for that (i.e. Paul Wolfoshitz')

                              I agree with Demon Cunt, you DO jerk-off to Rush Limbaugh!

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                              • FORD
                                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                                • Jan 2004
                                • 59570

                                I stopped taking mulletboy seriously with his first post here, a few months ago. He may be more literate than Cook or AssVibe, but he's definitely just as insane as either of them.

                                And I stopped reading his rant in this thread the minute he called me a "commielib" gun confiscator, which I'm not or never have been.

                                The fascists took the guns in Germany, and it will be the fascists that do so here. And it's obvious that mulletboy has his head so filled with hatred (though against whom, exactly it's hard to tell) that there's no room there for him to rationally discover who it is that is using Hitler's playbook for his own plans.

                                Hint, jackoff : it ain't any "commielibs".
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