New Poll:Majority Of Americans Don't Think Iraq War Is Worth Fighting

[lucky wilbury]

in case anyone didn't already know ford only likes wars when democrats start them ex kosovo,bosnia etc etc and genocide is only a reason to go to war when a democrat is president.also don't waste your time with real facts on the board its always the bces fault weather its hacking peoples computer or why clinton bombed iraq in 98 over wmd/al queda connections. just had to throw that in here. one last thing. don't feed the trolls. carry on.

[Wayne L.]

If you actually believe the polls from the 3 major networks then John Kerry would have been president-elect right now instead of just another senator so it's the same old song & dance from the mainstream news media concerning the Iraq war & President Bush in general which is why they're slowly FADING into oblivion.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by whodat
i dont understand anyone who is against this war. someone said something about the hypocrisy of america and what would you do if your child was called. first, this is the kind of question michael moore idiots can only come up with. secondly, would i send myself or my child to fight this war? yes i would, why? because we removed a murderous tyrant who committed genocide on thousands of his own people and if we must make sacrifies i.e children, our own unselfish lives, then so be it for the greater good of the world. good vs evil? which do you choose FORD?

If you're so concerned about good and evil,why don't you go help out in Sudan? There's plenty of evil over there to fight.My guess is that you're all mouth,and you probably don't have any children any fucking way.I've got a 22 year old son and he says he'll go if he's drafted,but I wish he wouldn't.I would hate to lose a child in a vague,poorly run war where the Defense Secretary obviously doesn't give a fuck about the troops and Bush speaks of "sacrifice" when he's probably never sacrificed a fucking thing in his life.Oh hell,never mind! Major combat operations ended on May 1st,2003.I forgot about that.Everything's just FINE,you fucking idiot.

[lucky wilbury]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...n.ap/index.html

Franks takes blame for 'mission accomplished'
'That's my fault'
Monday, August 9, 2004 Posted: 6:19 PM EDT (2219 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Retired Gen. Tommy Franks tried to take the blame Monday for President Bush's much-criticized comments declaring an end to major combat in Iraq more than a year ago.

"That's my fault, that George W. Bush said what he said on the first of May of last year, just because I asked him to," said Franks, former commander of forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Less than two months after the invasion of Iraq, Bush flew to a U.S. aircraft carrier and declared an end to major combat with a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" in the background.

The event, Bush's words and the banner have been repeatedly criticized and mocked since that first day of May 2003. The Iraq occupation turned more violent, American deaths continued to mount and U.S. forces failed to find weapons of mass destruction, a main rationale for the war.

"I wanted to get the phase of military operation over as quickly as I could, because a lot of countries on this planet had said as soon as that major stuff is over, we'll come in and help with all of the peacekeeping," Franks said.

"On the first of May when Bush did what he did, I was proud of him because he did what I, as the commander, had asked him to do," Franks said in an appearance at the National Press Club. "So if there's a mistake there, it's mine, not a plot. So I thought I'd share that with you. "

Franks noted that the Bush administration has had limited success persuading other nations to participate in Iraq. Of some 160,000 foreign forces there now, about 140,000 are American.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...n.ap/index.html

Franks takes blame for 'mission accomplished'
'That's my fault'
Monday, August 9, 2004 Posted: 6:19 PM EDT (2219 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Retired Gen. Tommy Franks tried to take the blame Monday for President Bush's much-criticized comments declaring an end to major combat in Iraq more than a year ago.

"That's my fault, that George W. Bush said what he said on the first of May of last year, just because I asked him to," said Franks, former commander of forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Less than two months after the invasion of Iraq, Bush flew to a U.S. aircraft carrier and declared an end to major combat with a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" in the background.

The event, Bush's words and the banner have been repeatedly criticized and mocked since that first day of May 2003. The Iraq occupation turned more violent, American deaths continued to mount and U.S. forces failed to find weapons of mass destruction, a main rationale for the war.

"I wanted to get the phase of military operation over as quickly as I could, because a lot of countries on this planet had said as soon as that major stuff is over, we'll come in and help with all of the peacekeeping," Franks said.

"On the first of May when Bush did what he did, I was proud of him because he did what I, as the commander, had asked him to do," Franks said in an appearance at the National Press Club. "So if there's a mistake there, it's mine, not a plot. So I thought I'd share that with you. "

Franks noted that the Bush administration has had limited success persuading other nations to participate in Iraq. Of some 160,000 foreign forces there now, about 140,000 are American.

That's really sad,either way you look at it.According to this,a self-proclaimed "war president" makes a total idiot out of himself because Tommy Franks "asked him to".That's what I call real fucking leadership.
Or else Dubya (slowly) realized that he had made a major mistake and Franks "tried" to take one for the team.
The really sad part is that both of these scenarios are totally believable.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
There will be no draft.

I wouldn't be so certain. Now their talking about solving all our problems by fucking with Syria:

A.) They actually have weapons of mass destruction.

B.) The Syrian Army is well trained, numerous, and has the most effective generation of post-Soviet weapons.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by fanofdave
good morning, FORD. just thought I'd add a few comments:

i spent 21 years in the service. when you enlist (a voluntary action)
you are informed that your service obligation can be involuntarily
extended for the needs of the service. that is not a draft. that is
a condition of employment.

as for retired veterans; we retire with the understanding that we
may be called back to active service under certain conditions. that
is a term of retirement we also accept. that is not a draft, either.

i do side with you in thinking it is crazy to ask us old farts to climb
"back in the saddle" again; but those two examples above do not
constitute a draft.

They're calling back people that have service connected disabilities. And they are also trying to call back an artillery captain that resigned his commission, which is illegal. They just don't give a shit at this point.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
in case anyone didn't already know ford only likes wars when democrats start them ex kosovo,bosnia etc etc and genocide is only a reason to go to war when a democrat is president.also don't waste your time with real facts on the board its always the bces fault weather its hacking peoples computer or why clinton bombed iraq in 98 over wmd/al queda connections. just had to throw that in here. one last thing. don't feed the trolls. carry on.

Back to the faulty-logical comparisons I see. There is no comparison between Kosevo and Iraq. Not even close!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...n.ap/index.html

Franks takes blame for 'mission accomplished'
'That's my fault'
Monday, August 9, 2004 Posted: 6:19 PM EDT (2219 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Retired Gen. Tommy Franks...

Always somebody taking the buck for Dubya these days. How about the people that were told this would happen in the first place because they were sending too few troops?

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Back to the faulty-logical comparisons I see. There is no comparison between Kosevo and Iraq. Not even close!

not even close where have you been? clinton said there was genocide in kosovo and according to the un there was NONE and to top it all off clinton went into iraq without un approval. it was us all alone with britain. then agains its not like iraq your right there are 30+ countries in iraq and it kosovo there was two us and britian

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by blueturk
That's really sad,either way you look at it.According to this,a self-proclaimed "war president" makes a total idiot out of himself because Tommy Franks "asked him to".That's what I call real fucking leadership.
Or else Dubya (slowly) realized that he had made a major mistake and Franks "tried" to take one for the team.
The really sad part is that both of these scenarios are totally believable.

lack of leadership? did you even read the article?:

"I wanted to get the phase of military operation over as quickly as I could, because a lot of countries on this planet had said as soon as that major stuff is over, we'll come in and help with all of the peacekeeping," Franks said.


now it seems thats showing leadership because bush was doing the right thing to help the commanding officers on the field.

[McCarrens]

Originally posted by FORD
Anti bush??

What drugs are you on? If their noses were any farther up Junior's ass, the damn chimp wouldn't be able to walk.

You can't be that stupid. Do have such a short memory you forgot what got Dan Rather fired?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
not even close where have you been? clinton said there was genocide in kosovo and according to the un there was NONE

According to the UN there never is, and since when do you care what the UN says? By the way, is not Milsovec on trial for warcrimes WITHOUT the death of over 1300 Americans?

and to top it all off clinton went into iraq without un approval. it was us all alone with britain. then agains its not like iraq your right there are 30+ countries in iraq and it kosovo there was two us and britian

I'll answer that with a comment that John Stewart made after the first Presidential debate, "POLAND?!...Your next country (after Britain) is POLAND?!"

We're still doing most of the dying.

Those elite El Salvadorian death squad members may come in handy yet!

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh

According to the UN there never is, and since when do you care what the UN says? By the way, is not Milsovec on trial for warcrimes WITHOUT the death of over 1300 Americans?

so i guess the 200+ that died before during and after kosovo is ok since the got milosovic and they went there for false reasons without the proper equipment, spare parts or right ammo. i mean milosovic it must be ok since hes on trial for war crimes

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I'll answer that with a comment that John Stewart made after the first Presidential debate, "POLAND?!...Your next country (after Britain) is POLAND?!"

We're still doing most of the dying.

Those elite El Salvadorian death squad members may come in handy yet!

so i guess the aussies,italians,czechs,japanese, koreans their nobodys. and how many of them were with us in kosovo?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
so i guess the 200+ that died before during and after kosovo is ok since the got milosovic and they went there for false reasons without the proper equipment, spare parts or right ammo. i mean milosovic it must be ok since hes on trial for war crimes

Did I say 1300, I meant 1300 and counting. What false reasons? To prevent genocide and to insure the stability of Europe. Besides, why do you keep reaching back for this shit when we have a gapping wound in Iraq? Who gives a shit about Yugo-Igo-Wego-aslavia?...that was six-years ago. And we had the NATO Alliance on-board before we went a-bombing!


so i guess the aussies,italians,czechs,japanese, koreans their nobodys. and how many of them were with us in kosovo?

Yes, since they have a miniscule amount of people there and many are pulling out. I would have to say yes.