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[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
OD,

We have been up and down this road SEVERAL times. The experts all agree it wasn't shot down, only various amateurs seem to disagree.

No shit. Just like how you choose to ignore the shareholder fraud class-action suit at Halliburton, I choose to ignore the "facts" on flight 93.

[DEMON CUNT]

FOX NEWS tells me all I need to know. The experts have spoken and it went down exactly as the government has told you it happened.

We all know governments never lie! Praise the Lard!

Now we may proceed with the PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY!!!

[Cathedral]

Innocent until "proven" guilty mean anything to anyone?

Assumptions are hardly a case to prove a damn thing.

That said, I never liked Rumsfeld and never will. The man needs to just resign because the Liberal Witch Hunt will continue and only serve to stall the real work Washington needs to be getting done.

It just doesn't make any sense to me that people think the Government does all the bad things liberal minds claim it does, and without consequence. it makes even less sense to me that anyone thinks that either party is better than the other.
Both sides of the isle have their own agendas that split this country in half and it only makes us weak as a Nation, therefore contributing to our own demise in the big picture.

I no longer see either side working to find common ground on any issue anymore. If things don't go their way there is no compromise and obstruction is the first tool that is reached for, and that goes for both party's.

It's gonna fuck us again and again until we understand that there is truth in the phrase "United We Stand, Divided We Fall".

Oh, and if half of the conspiracies i have read about on this site were based in fact, I would be the first to stand up and say "Prosecute Them" to the fullest extent of the law.
Clinton was taken to task over a Blow Job because there was factual proof that he engaged in those acts while in the oval office, so i know there are people who can bring legitimate charges against those who commit crimes from within our Government.
Just because a writer can package his "assumptions" in a nice article doesn't make it true.

I do get a little concerned that so many people make themselves both judge and jury when they are only sourced info from the media.
Have we learned nothing about the lies the media spreads and how the news organizations operate?

I know i can't trust a majority of what i see on the tube or read in the paper.
Maybe that's why our only source for good news is a Bible in todays times.
At least the trials and tribulations we endure can lead to eternal life, if we believe and surrender to God...unless you don't even believe in that, then what hope is there, really?

I have no faith in man at all, except for myself that is, and even that is questionable at times because i'm only human.
It may help for people to remember that politicians are only human as well...it's their agendas that seperate them from everyone else.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
No shit. Just like how you choose to ignore the shareholder fraud class-action suit at Halliburton, I choose to ignore the "facts" on flight 93.

I have ignored NOTHING and I am waiting for real evidence. I'm just not first in line at the conspirarcy stand, like you.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
I have ignored NOTHING and I am waiting for real evidence. I'm just not first in line at the conspirarcy stand, like you.

Dude, I'm WAY behind some people in here. You attribute all sorts of bullshit to me.

I guesss you haven't noticed the secrecy in which this administration cloaks its work. You're never going to get the kind of evidence that will persuade you.

[Big Train]

OD, I attribute SOME crap to you. You do wave it around and back up some of these theories others post.

I think you give too much credit to the boogeyman in the government and not enough on fact. If there is not enough fact for ME, how do you expect "justice"? Or have you deduced that the government and everyone in it will always be above the law with their "cloak of secrecy"? As I believe ford said eariler in this thread, liars eventually stumble. Be patient, if any of what is being said has any merit it will come out in the wash. To date, it has not, so until evidence changes, I don't agree.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Big Train
OD,

We have been up and down this road SEVERAL times. The experts all agree it wasn't shot down, only various amateurs seem to disagree.

Loungemachine = various amateur

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Innocent until "proven" guilty mean anything to anyone?
.

Certainly not at git-mo.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
what a waste of an article. talk about trying to make something out of nothing. it was CLEARLY a misstatement.


there's NO evidence the plane got shot down. and what's more, it would've only BENEFITED the government to be able to have claimed that it was able to react in time for 1 of the 4 planes.

it's current assertion is that it was caught off guard for all 4.

Good point.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
I think you give too much credit to the boogeyman in the government and not enough on fact.

have you deduced that the government and everyone in it will always be above the law with their "cloak of secrecy"?

If greed, smugness and complacency can explain it, it's a good explanation as far as I'm concerned. No matter what topic is being discussed.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
If greed, smugness and complacency can explain it, it's a good explanation as far as I'm concerned. No matter what topic is being discussed.

Yea, thats a sound way to approach things like justice. What does the Constitution know anyway?

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
Yea, thats a sound way to approach things like justice. What does the Constitution know anyway?

I'm no fool. I never said anything about doing anything about this tragic event.

Of course there's nowhere near enough evidence to try anyone in any court, well except maybe if John Ashcroft got pissed off.

Man you sure love to underestimate me. geeze.

[Big Train]

No, you sure love to back up from your statements when pressed.

I'd never underestimate OD, your a bright guy.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
No, you sure love to back up from your statements when pressed.

I'd never underestimate OD, your a bright guy.

Well thanks for the compliment. "guy" even, not "kid"

This statement:

"If greed, smugness and complacency can explain it, it's a good explanation as far as I'm concerned. No matter what topic is being discussed.

shows how I formulate the most reasonable explanation for events cloaked in mystery. For my own understanding. We talk about conspiracy this and conspiracy that, but I try to be a realist. Anyone with enough power to set such events in motion isn't going to be dislodged from power by anything less than a full popular uprising. I'm no mahatma ghandi, so I bitch about it, smoke some and say "fuck it." that's me. I'm apathetic. This bullshit election made me MUCH worse on this.

Maybe it's the striking out across the country and landing your dream job (I know, not yet, but you're on your way) that gives you the false impression that you can actually change things in this country, I don't know. But I don't share your outlook.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Certainly not at git-mo.

I don't agree with whats going on there myself, but it isn't exactly American soil so the rights afforded our citizens do not apply there.

But we aren't beheading the prisoners either...I'm not at all sure what purpose it ultimately serves, lol.

Maybe we should just toss out the Geneva Convention and fight fire with hotter fire.
While we're at it, lets just eliminate due-process all together here at home and hang people for claims made in articles, i mean as long as it reads well enough to allow ignorance of the facts.

We all appear to be the Ultimate Jury with the way we all see things from totally different perspectives, yet cannot come to terms on a conclusion.
The epitomy of a "Hung Jury" can be witnessed in this forum, daily, lmmfao.