WOW! I'm following this one!

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Cathedral
I don't agree with whats going on there myself, but it isn't exactly American soil so the rights afforded our citizens do not apply there.

But we aren't beheading the prisoners either...I'm not at all sure what purpose it ultimately serves, lol.

Maybe we should just toss out the Geneva Convention and fight fire with hotter fire.
While we're at it, lets just eliminate due-process all together here at home and hang people for claims made in articles, i mean as long as it reads well enough to allow ignorance of the facts.

We all appear to be the Ultimate Jury with the way we all see things from totally different perspectives, yet cannot come to terms on a conclusion.
The epitomy of a "Hung Jury" can be witnessed in this forum, daily, lmmfao.

I knew my post would push your button, but frankly I thought you'd come down alot harder than you did.

As to the rest of your post., I wholeheartily agree. With a wink and a nod.

Roth on Cath.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by Big Train
The people attacking rumsfeld are liberal PC types mostly (and YES, I know about the generals). They would rather feel hatred towards a white man than a muslim. Helps with their superiority complex.

Flight 93 was NOT shot down, nor is there conclusive evidence to prove such a claim.

What a revelation! I thought I was one of the people attacking Rumsfeld because he based the invasion of Iraq on false intelligence regarding WMD's,or because he invaded Iraq with insufficient forces and false expectations on how Iraqis would respond.Then I thought I liked him even less when he blew off a soldier asking about armor for vehicles,and then went to Iraq on Christmas like a whipped (by Dubya) dog with his tail between his legs expressing "emotions" that seemed to escape him on his previous encounter with troops.
But that's not it at all! I don't like Rummy because I am so consumed with wanting to be politically correct that I don't want to attack Muslims and would rather attack a white guy to feed my "superiority complex".
The worst part is that there are other white people in the Bush administration I don't care much for either, so I'm in worse shape than I thought.
Will my obsession with being PC ever end? Will I ever satisfy the the ravenous hunger of my "superiority complex"? I had no idea my psyche was in such a fucking mess!

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by blueturk
What a revelation! I thought I was one of the people attacking Rumsfeld because he based the invasion of Iraq on false intelligence regarding WMD's,or because he invaded Iraq with insufficient forces and false expectations on how Iraqis would respond.Then I thought I liked him even less when he blew off a soldier asking about armor for vehicles,and then went to Iraq on Christmas like a whipped (by Dubya) dog with his tail between his legs expressing "emotions" that seemed to escape him on his previous encounter with troops.
But that's not it at all! I don't like Rummy because I am so consumed with wanting to be politically correct that I don't want to attack Muslims and would rather attack a white guy to feed my "superiority complex".
The worst part is that there are other white people in the Bush administration I don't care much for either, so I'm in worse shape than I thought.
Will my obsession with being PC ever end? Will I ever satisfy the the ravenous hunger of my "superiority complex"? I had no idea my psyche was in such a fucking mess!

If it helps,

That makes me a bigger mess than you.:D

Leave it to BT to show me my shortcomings and issues

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
The people attacking rumsfeld are liberal PC types mostly (and YES, I know about the generals). They would rather feel hatred towards a white man than a muslim. Helps with their superiority complex.

Flight 93 was NOT shot down, nor is there conclusive evidence to prove such a claim.

Starting a "SAVE THE RUMMY" campaign there Train? Why don't you turn that statement into a bumper sticker.

The fact is that even many conservatives think Rummy is an imcompetent, cavilier oaf that deserves to be axed at the very least!
I think he should be put in prison! But hey, that's the "liberal PC in me.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Big Train
The people attacking rumsfeld are liberal PC types mostly (and YES, I know about the generals). They would rather feel hatred towards a white man than a muslim. Helps with their superiority complex.

Bollocks.

I don't buy this conspiracy theory but Rumsfeld is a cunt of the first order.

See the other thread http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...threadid=14951

Cheers!

[ODShowtime]

Watch these morons. They'll wait until the absolute last minute to dump him. That way we look as stupid as possible to the world.

I'm relatively new to the political game, but his days have to be numbered.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
Well thanks for the compliment. "guy" even, not "kid"

This statement:

"If greed, smugness and complacency can explain it, it's a good explanation as far as I'm concerned. No matter what topic is being discussed.

Anyone with enough power to set such events in motion isn't going to be dislodged from power by anything less than a full popular uprising. I'm apathetic.

Maybe it's the striking out across the country and landing your dream job (I know, not yet, but you're on your way) that gives you the false impression that you can actually change things in this country, I don't know. But I don't share your outlook.

I didn't realize that my outlook or my values,thanks for telling me. The FACT that I worked hard and got lucky was irrelevant in that scheme right?

I guess if somebody worked hard at finding some facts and those facts checked out, it wouldn't require a "popular uprising".

[Big Train]

Originally posted by blueturk
What a revelation! I thought I was one of the people attacking Rumsfeld because he based the invasion of Iraq on false intelligence regarding WMD's,or because he invaded Iraq with insufficient forces and false expectations on how Iraqis would respond.Then I thought I liked him even less when he blew off a soldier asking about armor for vehicles,and then went to Iraq on Christmas like a whipped (by Dubya) dog with his tail between his legs expressing "emotions" that seemed to escape him on his previous encounter with troops.
But that's not it at all! I don't like Rummy because I am so consumed with wanting to be politically correct that I don't want to attack Muslims and would rather attack a white guy to feed my "superiority complex".
The worst part is that there are other white people in the Bush administration I don't care much for either, so I'm in worse shape than I thought.
Will my obsession with being PC ever end? Will I ever satisfy the the ravenous hunger of my "superiority complex"? I had no idea my psyche was in such a fucking mess!

You are a complete fucking mess, but that's another story for another day. If you want rummy out for your previous more valid reasons (his decisions in the war-tactical mistakes), that is fine by me. When it is how you "feel" (for example, the manner in which he addressed the troops, a mistake in conversation or "slip up"), then it is a liberal complex.

And sesh that is not a conspiracy theory, it is my observation as a citizen of the US. When you start living over here, then you can add to the conversation.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Big Train
You

And sesh that is not a conspiracy theory, it is my observation as a citizen of the US. When you start living over here, then you can add to the conversation.

Damn, BT

Everytime I start to think you're not to the right of Limbaugh, you go and say something like this.

Half the reason we're in the mess we're in is we DIDNT listen to those outside of our country.

I personally respect and WANT opinions from non-Americans. It's that myopic "we're the fucking USA and no one will tell us what to do" attitude that causes so much hatred and animosity towards us.

For a right wing Neo Con Facist, you're still alright in my book.

But let Sesh weigh in. Shit he's better informed than most "YANKoffs" inhabiting this place.:D

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Damn, BT

Everytime I start to think you're not to the right of Limbaugh, you go and say something like this.

Half the reason we're in the mess we're in is we DIDNT listen to those outside of our country.

I personally respect and WANT opinions from non-Americans. It's that myopic "we're the fucking USA and no one will tell us what to do" attitude that causes so much hatred and animosity towards us.

For a right wing Neo Con Facist, you're still alright in my book.

But let Sesh weigh in. Shit he's better informed than most "YANKoffs" inhabiting this place.:D

You nailed it Lounge! Yeah, but the French are our worst enemy because WE WERE wrong and not them!

BT gets a super-sized Freedom Fries from me, on the house!

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
I didn't realize that my outlook or my values,thanks for telling me. The FACT that I worked hard and got lucky was irrelevant in that scheme right?

Well, your recent history which I know about from you telling me coupled with comments you've made in the past about going to libertarian rallies and shit made me think you actually thought people can change things. Sorry if I was wrong, but I don't really care that much.

I guess if somebody worked hard at finding some facts and those facts checked out, it wouldn't require a "popular uprising".

You yourself have said repeatedly that if the facts were there able to be found, someone would have found them by now.

Certainly there are people who are tying their best with the motivation of a great career so it's not like everyone's all lazy. Second, as we've seen on this board, the administration can do HORRIBLE deeds and say HORRIBLE things and still the morons in this country eat it up. People are fuckin' stupid man. And gw&friends pray on that.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by Big Train
You are a complete fucking mess, but that's another story for another day. If you want rummy out for your previous more valid reasons (his decisions in the war-tactical mistakes), that is fine by me. When it is how you "feel" (for example, the manner in which he addressed the troops, a mistake in conversation or "slip up"), then it is a liberal complex.

And sesh that is not a conspiracy theory, it is my observation as a citizen of the US. When you start living over here, then you can add to the conversation.

Damn BT, that first remark makes me think that you don't like me or something!
Anyway,when did I say that I "feel" (your inappropriate quotation marks) one way or another about a "mistake in conversation" or "slip up"?I realize that this thread was started on that premise,but I got home after it was well on it's way.I haven't mentioned the subject at all. I quoted and responded to your bizarre theory on why Rumsfeld is being attacked on some ( oh well,many) different fronts.
As for the vast difference in the way he spoke to troops on Christmas Eve as compared to his previous encounter in early December,those events speak for themselves.I feel sure that in the future Rumsfeld will follow the lead of the president (another white guy) ,and confine himself to " friendly" Q & A sessions from now on if possible.It's "the will of the people".

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Big Train


And sesh that is not a conspiracy theory, it is my observation as a citizen of the US. When you start living over here, then you can add to the conversation.

That's fucking bizarre, for once I agree with you and you attack my right to have an opinion...

In any case I don't post in many threads about US domestic policy but when my country get's dragged into a war because of your government I'll help enlighten you about what's actually going on in your country.

Cheers!

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I knew my post would push your button, but frankly I thought you'd come down alot harder than you did.

As to the rest of your post., I wholeheartily agree. With a wink and a nod.

Roth on Cath.

I'm trying to be a more relaxed and mellow dude these days. Too many times have i posted knee-jerk reactions that only half got my message across.
Besides, there is no need to argue over differences of opinion cause it won't get us anywhere.

If i shut the hell up from time to time i find that i may just end up learning something i may not have known before.

It's all good, brother!

[Big Train]

OK, I guess I have to compose four responses. As it's late, I'll just do one:

Sesh: I did attack you unfairly in the heat of the moment (responding to this many people at once, wires get crossed, my apologies). I do respect your opinion. My theory, which I admit is just that, an observation nobody has to agree with. You said "bollocks", which meant you disagreed with my observation. My response was that it was an observation looking around at my fellow citizens. As you are not an american citizen, I felt it didn't make sense for you to make a comment about it, as you don't reside here to see what I see everyday.

To Lounge: Generally speaking, I invite all opinions. In this case, he was responding to something he could not POSSIBLY know about, as he is not a US citizen. It's like asking a guy about child birth. I'm glad I'm still your favorite neo con. I still say I just think for myself, like my opinions or not.

To OD: I DO believe people can changes things for the better. That requires hard work and growth, not whining, apathy and wild allegations. That's what I saw at those rallies and what turned me off to them.

These aren't party values I hold, they are basic American values.

Obviously, nothing has checked out at this point, so there is no story. Which means end of story as far as I'm concerned.

To Blue Turk: Read what I said. My "Bizarre" (love those quotes) observation you disagree with fine, I get it. I'm saying to you that while you disagree with it, I think you disagree for some valid logical reasons and some emotional reasons. I think the emotional reasons don't belong. Pure and simple.