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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    Whose War Is It Now?

    Whose War Is It Now?
    by Mustafa Malik

    WASHINGTON -- A TIGER killed a fawn and began munching on it, according to a popular Bangladeshi folk tale. A hungry bear jumped on the tiger to snatch the carcass away. The two fought until both lay mortally wounded, unable to move. A fox, which was watching the fight from a bush, scampered to the dead fawn and feasted to its heart's content.

    The United States overthrew Saddam Hussein only to be overwhelmed by a Sunni Arab insurgency. But Sunni Arabs, being a minority, can't come to power through the Jan. 30 elections. This is why most of them are boycotting the vote. A pro-Iranian electoral alliance of the Shi'ite majority is predicted to win a majority of parliamentary seats and form the government. The Iranians are helping the alliance with money and volunteers, ignoring President Bush's warnings against "meddling in the internal affairs of Iraq."

    During an appearance on an Iranian TV show the other day, I was asked what gave "invaders from the other end of the world the right to question our help and support" to his fellow Shi'ites in Iraq. Iran had been sheltering Iraqi exiles, the interviewer added, since before Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former New York congressman Stephen Solarz "were making pilgrimages to Baghdad [in the 1980s] with your presidents' goodwill messages to Saddam."

    The war to overthrow Saddam, a bitter enemy of Israel, was masterminded by a group of neoconservatives, and Patrick Buchanan and others accused them of dragging America into "Israel's war."

    Now Arab commentators are saying that America is fighting "Iran's war." The US invasion has, besides facilitating the creation of a pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, wrecked the military power of Iraq, Iran's historic adversary. Iraqi Shi'ites aren't a monolith, and the elections could be followed by an intra-Shi'ite power struggle, alongside a broader one among Shi'ite Arabs, Sunni Arabs, and Sunni Kurds.

    The United States is deepening the Shi'ite-Sunni divide. President Bush got his Sunni Arab proteges King Abdullah and interim Iraqi President Ghazi al-Yawar to denounce Iranian "interference" in Iraqi affairs.

    Also, the Americans are prodding interim Iraqi prime minister Iyad Allawi to try to put together a Sunni-dominated party to counter the pro-Iranian Shi'ite alliance.

    All these are alienating America from Iraqi Shi'ites, prompting them to align more closely with Iran. If ethnic and sectarian strife splits Iraq, the Shi'ite south would be the natural ally of Shi'ite Iran. If Iraq stays in one piece, the Iranians are likely to exert influence on its politics and policies through its Shi'ite majority.

    Iran isn't the only "fox" making hay from the fall of Saddam. The war has mobilized anti-American and antiregime forces in the region to an unprecedented level. Muslim guerrillas from neighboring countries have joined the Iraqi insurgency. Islamist activists have ratcheted up their campaign against Jordanian and Saudi Arabian monarchies, citing these regimes' tacit support for the US invasion of Iraq.

    An Arab-American friend who has returned from a tour of the region tells me that in Jordan's cafes and college campuses King Abdullah II is being "openly denounced" as America's "lackey" and "collaborator." My friend had not seen Jordanians criticize the monarchy so harshly and publicly before.

    Unprecedented, too, was the recent attempt to stage antigovernment demonstrations in Saudi Arabia. The London-based Movement for Islamic Reforms, which US intelligence sources suspect is linked to Osama bin Laden, called for the protest. Hundreds of activists were preparing to pour into the streets of Riyadh and Jeddah when police dispersed them.

    Meanwhile, the US consulate in Jeddah came under a brazen attack from "Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula," and bin Laden was quick to release an audio tape commending the guerrillas. More ominous is his call to supporters to target America's oil supplies, which prompted a series of attacks on Iraq's oil infrastructure. Bin Laden may have set his eyes on the most vital US interest in the region, which seemed to be safe before the Iraq war.

    Maybe America is fighting bin Laden's war, too.

    Mustafa Malik, a former research associate at the University of Chicago's Middle East Center, is a Washington journalist.

    © Copyright 2004 Boston Globe
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • ODShowtime
    ROCKSTAR

    • Jun 2004
    • 5812

    #2
    BBB Bait? What do you think about this?

    It's interesting how it could be argued that this war mainly benefited Israel, and also argued that it benefited Iran. Both are enemies of each other. Strange...
    gnaw on it

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49567

      #3
      This is the War that has done everything that Dubya said he wanted to prevent.

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      • ODShowtime
        ROCKSTAR

        • Jun 2004
        • 5812

        #4
        well it DID stop Saddam from building new palaces
        gnaw on it

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        • Switch84
          Veteran
          • Feb 2004
          • 2316

          #5
          Originally posted by ODShowtime
          well it DID stop Saddam from building new palaces

          :D LMMFAOBT! Maybe just for a little while. He did declare that "I am Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq" when he had his first court appearance last July. He might be back in da house in no time.
          "He doesn't need to sell millions of records, he doesn't need to fill arenas, he doesn't need to be popular, he doesn't need your money, AND HE DOESN'T NEED YOU!"
          Blackflag on DLR

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          • ODShowtime
            ROCKSTAR

            • Jun 2004
            • 5812

            #6
            Originally posted by Switch84
            :D LMMFAOBT! Maybe just for a little while. He did declare that "I am Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq" when he had his first court appearance last July. He might be back in da house in no time.
            he thought he was being executed. What a laugh riot that must have been, just to see the look on his face.
            gnaw on it

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            • Phil theStalker
              Full Member Status

              • Jan 2004
              • 3843

              #7
              Originally posted by ODShowtime
              well it DID stop Saddam from building new palaces
              i love it i love it i love it

              dat's why i come heer @!

              fer da jokes !

              aff dat's yer joke ODShowtime yer're a genius !



              PS I know da peeps who founded Showtime, ODShowtime...and HBO and...well, the end is near. Who cares about name droppers.
              Add to Ignore list

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              • Phil theStalker
                Full Member Status

                • Jan 2004
                • 3843

                #8
                Originally posted by Switch84
                :D LMMFAOBT! Maybe just for a little while. He did declare that "I am Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq" when he had his first court appearance last July. He might be back in da house in no time.
                Yes, indeed.

                I wish I was his lawyer.

                Saddam is the legal head of the Iraqi state.

                The U.S. war that "temporarily" ousted him is illegal.

                Saddam should, must, and SHALL be reinstated as the rightful, legal, world recognized leader of the Iraqi state as he was before the illegal invasion of his state
                .

                Eat shit, kids.

                The war's just begun.

                The UN says so (i.e., war is illegal), the world says so, don't think it's just me.

                You peeps who haven't gotten the word are going to get me killed.

                Almost, I'm ahead of you.
                Add to Ignore list

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                • Loki
                  Roadie
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 156

                  #9
                  haw haw. hath the warmongers lost the steel for bloodshed? haw haw. hath thine skirts gotten in a bunch? cowards and stormcrows.
                  "Art is a lie that tells the truth."

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 59642

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    This is the War that has done everything that Dubya said he wanted to prevent.
                    Of course it did. Just as his "clear skies" initiative enabled corporate polluters, and his "safe forest" plan ensured that old growth forests will soon be safe from trees forever. And then there's always "No Child Left Behind"

                    If the BCE says something, assume they mean the exact opposite of what they say.
                    Eat Us And Smile

                    Cenk For America 2024!!

                    Justice Democrats


                    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                    • ODShowtime
                      ROCKSTAR

                      • Jun 2004
                      • 5812

                      #11
                      Originally posted by FORD
                      If the BCE says something, assume they mean the exact opposite of what they say.

                      I wonder where they got the inspiration for that?

                      The Patriot Act is another good example.
                      gnaw on it

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                      • EAST COAST

                        #12
                        air polution dropped in 04,unemployment is at its lowest in twentyfive years. some three hundred thousand jobs were added in oct and nov. not bad for the domestic news.the un for food program run by the president of the united nations is in disaray, because of the probe being done by the conservative senators and congressmens findings that kofis kid has been getting huge kickbacks illegally, and getting paid after he left in hush money, directly involving france, russia, germany. every liberals hero SLICK WILLY CLINTONS pardoning of mr rich and his alliance with sadam is staggering. wait till all this is unfolded!!! the elections will go on in iraq, perhaps a delay. women can walk the streets with their children legally to the corner fruit stand. sadam is not sending people that disagree with him to mass graves .hey, nothing is easy, it is the right thing to do. its gonna take some time, no doubt. but the large majority of citizens in iraq want to have free elections. the problem we and the rest of the coalition are having, is from a few thousand insurgents from mainly iran and to a lesser degree syria. in short 4 MORE YEARS its your party, so cry if you want to

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                        • ODShowtime
                          ROCKSTAR

                          • Jun 2004
                          • 5812

                          #13
                          Originally posted by EAST COAST
                          the elections will go on in iraq, perhaps a delay. women can walk the streets with their children legally to the corner fruit stand.
                          You're a moron. I'll go the easy route and inform you that Iraq WAS a secular society and that woman were always allowed to walk the streets with their children. They were also allowed to go to Universities and hold good jobs. Remember that biological warfare bitch we captured?

                          Now they have the possiblity of being blown to bits by many different factions when they go to buy their fruit.
                          gnaw on it

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                          • BigBadBrian
                            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 10625

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ODShowtime
                            I'll go the easy route and inform you that Iraq WAS a secular society and that woman were always allowed to walk the streets with their children.
                            Except if you were Shiite, then you might take a side-trip to one of Saddam's many mass graves and never return.



                            They were also allowed to go to Universities and hold good jobs. Remember that biological warfare bitch we captured?
                            You're kind of shooting yourself in the foot on that one, aren't you?

                            Now they have the possiblity of being blown to bits by many different factions when they go to buy their fruit.
                            Exactly. But you need to do a little reading. Nothing has really changed with our little expedition. The Sunnis, Shiites, and Wahabbis have been fighting for hundreds of years.

                            We're not going to stop it.

                            The UN isn't going to stop it.

                            The only way Saddam stopped it is by filling football-sized graveyards full of bodies.

                            We argue about religion in this country like it's nothing.

                            They take it DEADLY serious over there.

                            You can argue all damn day long that Iraq WAS a secular society. That wasn't by choice of the population. That was by choice of Saddam.

                            We need to let these people have their elections on time and leave them alone.
                            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                            • BigBadBrian
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 10625

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ODShowtime
                              You're a moron.
                              Insults. Always the Liberals first line of defense.
                              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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