Bush to Back Gay Marriage Ban Amendment

[Dr. Love]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Getting drunk, getting high, sleeping around, being Gay, using foul language constantly, taking advantage of people, aborting children..etc.

posting pornographic pictures of chicks on message boards, lusting after women, passing judgement on the supernatural destination of others, etc

The biggest Oxymoron i have heard on the Gay subject matter was the argument that, and i quote, "It is morally wrong to deny marriage benefits to any two people who choose to be married"
What's morally wrong is laying down with a person of the same sex and engaging in activities that are insulting to God.

This would presuppose that God is the origin of morality and only that believers in your faith are moral individuals (condemning the vast majority of the world as immoral by default).

Also, I think it's actually LEGALLY wrong to deny benefits. If it weren't legally wrong, and they weren't fearing that these laws they have would be found unconstitutional, they wouldn't be proposing a Constitutional Amendment that basically tells people who they can and cannot marry.

You can find it unacceptable that homos want to get married, but what right do you have to tell them how to behave? In your view, God's gonna fuck 'em in the end anyway by sending them to hell regardless of if they have the legal benefits of marriage or not, all you're doing is ignoring that whole "love thy neighbor/judge not lest ye be judged" thing.

So far as I understand it, sin is sin, and we all do it, so you and I have every chance of going to hell as those crazy homos.

Shouldn't you worry about your own soul first?

[Dr. Love]

Btw, all these homos that are "getting married" in SF... can they get divorced?

[John Ashcroft]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
i hear ya. but really, if a "civil union" winds up offering the same civil benefits of a civil marriage, then isn't it a little odd to protect simply the word, "marriage?"

i don't think anyone is saying that any specific religion has to recognize every civil marriage (hell, they don't recognize them all currently.)

calling it a "civil union" and not a "marriage" certainly makes it easier for the average populace to swall...(er, sorry, bad choice of words:D)...uh, accept. but if all we're really doing is protecting the definition of the word, then i think it's not doing anything other than trivializing the Constitutution by playing symantics.

Ah, but where did I state my support for this proposed Constitutional Ammendment?

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Dr. Love
[B]posting pornographic pictures of chicks on message boards, lusting after women, passing judgement on the supernatural destination of others, etc




This would presuppose that God is the origin of morality and only that believers in your faith are moral individuals (condemning the vast majority of the world as immoral by default).

Also, I think it's actually LEGALLY wrong to deny benefits. If it weren't legally wrong, and they weren't fearing that these laws they have would be found unconstitutional, they wouldn't be proposing a Constitutional Amendment that basically tells people who they can and cannot marry.

You can find it unacceptable that homos want to get married, but what right do you have to tell them how to behave? In your view, God's gonna fuck 'em in the end anyway by sending them to hell regardless of if they have the legal benefits of marriage or not, all you're doing is ignoring that whole "love thy neighbor/judge not lest ye be judged" thing.

So far as I understand it, sin is sin, and we all do it, so you and I have every chance of going to hell as those crazy homos.

Shouldn't you worry about your own soul first?

I am not placing myself on a higher level than anyone and in no way shape or form think i am above anyone or their beliefs.
My point is that i simply will not support anything that says its ok for homosexuals to do their thing, and in public.

Of course we should worry about our own souls first, that goes without saying.
But then again, you didn't grow up in the world i did so i am not surprised that you only addressed the parts of my post that you did.
I am the first person that will tell you that i have alot to change in my life, but my point was that for all of us to accept that which is morally wrong makes us wrong as well.
America was founded on Christian Values and the Secular Society is slowly but surely steering this country off it's proper path.

The sad part is that neither political party stands firm on their issues. Both sides of the coin want it both ways and that just is not possible. there is only once choice that can be made when the options are either right or wrong.
And homosexuality is just wrong in my opinion, that will never change.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Cathedral

And homosexuality is just wrong in my opinion, that will never change.

Key words here - "my opinion".And nobody's trying to change your opinion. But why should your opinion be codified in a law that affects the personal relationships of others and doesn't impact your life whatsoever. Let alone in a constitutional ammendment.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Ah, but where did I state my support for this proposed Constitutional Ammendment?

you didn't. i was just referring to the concept you considered about whether a full civil union-equivalent would be proper.

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Again, some other certificate is fine that gives equal rights, but I do understand the angst alot of people have with changing the definition of marriage.

not that this is an easy, straightforward issue.

(unlike impeachment... which actually, while i definitely don't think i'd have voted for removal if i were in the senate, you may have me reconsidering a vote to impeach in the house...)

[Cathedral]

First of all, I think an Amendment is the exact wrong way to deal with the situation. I don't support that at all, but i do support something being done to preserve the moral fabric of this country.

I'm all for putting the subject to a vote by the American people which i already know would be a NO vote for making immoral relationships legal.
When i was 8 years old, Gay meant "Happy"
To my 8 year old it is two men or women kissing in the mall, but that's ok, right?
You just don't get it at all do you?
Maybe if you were a parent you'd see things differently i guess.

[Sarge]

Rosie O'Donnell to marry girlfriend in San Francisco
LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writer
Thursday, February 26, 2004
©2004 Associated Press

URL: sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/02/26/national0950EST0561.DTL



(02-26) 10:00 PST SAN FRANCISCO (AP) --

Rosie O'Donnell flew across the country Thursday to marry her longtime girlfriend in the city where more than 3,300 other same-sex couples have tied the knot since Feb. 12.

The couple traveled to San Francisco from New York on Thursday morning, said Cindi Berger, O'Donnell's publicist. They have a 1 p.m. appointment to pick up a marriage license, according to the mayor's office.

"We, too, have a dream of equality for all families," the comedian and former talk show host said in a statement. "The only way changes are made in society is when people like Mayor Gavin Newsom have the courage to stand up against injustice."

City officials didn't know who O'Donnell wants to officiate when she marries her girlfriend, Kelli Carpenter, said Francisco Castillo, a spokesman for the mayor. The women plan to take their vows on the steps of City Hall, according to Berger.

Earlier Thursday, O'Donnell announced her wedding plans on ABC's "Good Morning America," just two days after President Bush called for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

She said the president's call is what inspired her to come to San Francisco, where city officials continue to perform same-sex weddings even as state courts are considering the legality of those marriages.

"I think the actions of the president are, in my opinion, the most vile and hateful words ever spoken by a sitting president," O'Donnell said on the program. "I am stunned and I'm horrified.

"I find this proposed amendment very, very, very, very shocking. And immoral. And, you know, if civil disobedience is the way to go about change, then I think a lot of people will be going to San Francisco. And I hope they put more people on the steps to marry as many people as show up. And I hope everyone shows up."

O'Donnell said she decided to marry Carpenter, a former dancer and marketing director at Nickelodeon, during her recent trial in New York over the now-defunct Rosie magazine. During the case, she referred to Carpenter as her wife.

"We applied for spousal privilege and were denied it by the state. As a result, everything that I said to Kelli, every letter that I wrote her, every e-mail, every correspondence and conversation was entered into the record," O'Donnell said. "After the trial, I am now and will forever be a total proponent of gay marriage."

[Dr. Love]

Originally posted by Cathedral
First of all, I think an Amendment is the exact wrong way to deal with the situation. I don't support that at all, but i do support something being done to preserve the moral fabric of this country.

I'm all for putting the subject to a vote by the American people which i already know would be a NO vote for making immoral relationships legal.
When i was 8 years old, Gay meant "Happy"
To my 8 year old it is two men or women kissing in the mall, but that's ok, right?
You just don't get it at all do you?
Maybe if you were a parent you'd see things differently i guess.

Hey Cat, I can respect your stance and opinion.

Just today I realized there was a disconnect with some people in my age-range. We had a debate if someone in a assignment I had to read was homosexual or not (he wasn't.)

One girl in class insisted he was gay because of all the gay (stupid/uncool) things he did in the story, like insulting a woman. She found that to be gay because it was "classless".

I'm not sure if we ever got across to her that we were talking about his sexual orientation.

[John Ashcroft]

Did the story include a "sword-fight"?

[Dr. Love]

nah, the story was mostly about the night screwing this magical rich lady

[Cathedral]

LMMFAO @ Sword Fight...

cat is scratching his head wondering if Dr. Love really got what JA was saying

"Oh, i see your schwartz is as big as mine"

[Dr. Love]

I got it.

[ELVIS]

Amen brother Cat.. Now stop posting porn.. having premarital sex.. and lusting after every body that looks good.. they have souls too...

REPENT!

Today may be your last day on earth...

[EAST COAST]

was ford showing his support in fag francisco, for rosie? odd didnt she leave him for her new husband? have a nice weekend.....