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  • steve
    Sniper
    • Feb 2004
    • 841

    #16
    Come on FORD.
    You mean to tell me one cannot differentiate between wanting tax cuts for lower and middle class folks verses cutting taxes on stock dividends which mainly benefits very wealthy people?

    You mean to tell me that one cannot specify that he voted for a Patriot Act WITH A SUNSET PERIOD and now he thinks the time for the act is up (which conflicts with Ashcroft who wants to extend the Act indefinitely)?

    You mean to tell me that one could not be in favor of confronting Saddam Hussein but very critical of the needlessly reckless way in which it was done?


    Frankly, I think these reasons are why Kerry has pulled ahead. He is honest with folks about tough decisions he has had to make. He leaves his thought process naked - he doesn't hide the reasons he has and had for making decisions. His life has been an open book.

    This is opposed to someone like George Bush who phrases everything in simpleton terms and cloaks his decision-making process behind a veil of ignorance.

    It is also in contrast to Dean who has cherry-picked the anti-war crowd in claiming to be some sort of Nostradomas who "knew it(that Saddam had no weapons) all along" - when, if you actually read his quotes around the time of the Senate vote, it can be estimated that he had about the same position as Kerry. However, very conveniently he did not have to make the tough decisions and very conveniently he went the route of the lowest common denominaor and championed himself as the know-it-all anti war cantidate. Plus, people knew very little of his opinions on issues except for health care and the war. Plus, many began to see in him the qualities of poor word choice (aka: diplomacy skills) that riddle GW's personality. That is why many did not vote for him in the primaries. He's an intelligent man, and probably a good doctor, but not a very skilled politician (choosing words carefully, being a diplomat - things that will bring the US back to peace with our neighbors, etc.) otherwise. And also, as I just staed here, he struck many as two-faced and kind of a liar about his war stance.
    steve

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #17
      Kerry hasn't pulled ahead of anything...

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59560

        #18
        Steve, look up the voting record. Your boy Kerry has voted consistently with the Bush Criminal Empire's agenda for the last three years. Some of the Kerry campaign diehards who post over at Democratic Underground like to paint Judas as a "true liberal", but any true liberal would have stood against these unelected assholes whenever possible. They also claim Kerry's been trying to bring down the BCE for decades, apparently not successfully, but even so, he certainly should have known that Bush is a lying sack of shit, if that were the case. The IWR vote surrended the constitutional authority of Congress to declare war into the hands of an unelected fraudulent dictator without a shred of evidence. Sure, Junior said he would produce the evidence, but he didn't. And as we all know now, it's because the weapons weren't there. Kerry wasn't alone in that vote, obviously, but he flip-flops and tries to justify it one way or the other depending on the prevailing political winds.

        Edwards voted for it as well, but at least he stands by his vote and doesn't try to lie or "nuance" his way out of it. I could trust Edwards more than Kerry based on that alone. Let alone the factors of S&B, PNAC and FAUX being involved with Kerry.
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • John Ashcroft
          Veteran
          • Jan 2004
          • 2127

          #19
          You lost me at "needless and reckless way it was done". I know their the current Kerry-camp talking points, but come on! I wonder how a Dem would've executed the war more efficiently?

          And I don't want to hear about Russia, France, and Germany as it's a proven fact that their objections were due to illegal arrangements in the "Oil for Food" program that they made with the devil, not moral objections. Not to mention the President built a larger coalition this time around than his father did the first time, and than Clinton built in any of his wars.

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          • John Ashcroft
            Veteran
            • Jan 2004
            • 2127

            #20
            Originally posted by FORD
            ...but any true liberal would have stood against these unelected assholes whenever possible.
            What does the 9th Circuit have to do with this?

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            • knuckleboner
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Jan 2004
              • 2927

              #21
              the 9th circuit judges aren't "assholes," mr. AG. they're idiots. there's a difference...

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              • John Ashcroft
                Veteran
                • Jan 2004
                • 2127

                #22
                Activist idiots that make and break law with abandon, and therefore at least as dangerous to our country as Al Queda (as the aftermath of their carnage is far more permanent than any terrorist hit).

                Can I call them "Idiot-assholes"?

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 59560

                  #23
                  Originally posted by John Ashcroft
                  Activist idiots that make and break law with abandon, and therefore at least as dangerous to our country as Al Queda (as the aftermath of their carnage is far more permanent than any terrorist hit).

                  Can I call them "Idiot-assholes"?
                  What does the Felonious Florida Five have to do with this thread?
                  Eat Us And Smile

                  Cenk For America 2024!!

                  Justice Democrats


                  "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                  • John Ashcroft
                    Veteran
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2127

                    #24
                    Hey, if we're gonna dance...

                    Which recount did Algore win again???

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                    • knuckleboner
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2927

                      #25
                      Originally posted by John Ashcroft
                      Activist idiots that make and break law with abandon, and therefore at least as dangerous to our country as Al Queda (as the aftermath of their carnage is far more permanent than any terrorist hit).
                      nah. pretty much any supreme court will overturn most of their more moronic rulings. no real long term damage. certainly not on an al queda scale.



                      Can I call them "Idiot-assholes"?
                      absolutely!!

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                      • rustoffa
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 8963

                        #26
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        No School Left Unfucked
                        :D
                        Ahahaha! :D

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                        • BrownSound1
                          ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 3025

                          #27
                          You know the whole "tax cuts for the rich" thing is a crock of shit. The IRS shows that something like 54% of all income tax is paid by higher income families. I just don't see how increasing taxes on these people is fair....it's like your getting penalized for being successful.

                          BTW, Kerry sucks shit Sarge.

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