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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    Greedy or ignorant

    Greedy or ignorant
    Walter E. Williams


    January 12, 2005


    "The Dog and His Bone" is one of Aesop's many instructive fables. It's about a dog carrying a bone in his mouth. As he was crossing a footbridge over a stream and happened to glance into the water, he saw his own reflection. Thinking it was another dog with a bigger bone, the greedy dog growled and said to himself, "I'll get that bone, too." When he opened his mouth to take the bone, his own bone fell into the water, never to be seen again.

    You say, "Williams, that's a nice story, but what's the relevance?" Its relevance has to do with the myths and some of the discussion about what to do about our health-care problems. The recently published "Miracle Cure," by Sally Pipes, president of the San Francisco-based Pacific Research Institute, exposes health-care myths while explaining why the sometimes-touted Canadian style health care isn't the answer. Myth: Uninsured individuals have no access to medical care. Fact: It turns out that in 2004 uninsured Americans received $125 billion of health care, of which $41 billion was provided totally free of charge.

    Myth: Skyrocketing prescription drugs are driving health-care spending up. Fact: According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, as a whole, Americans spend about 1 percent of their income on drugs. Seniors spend about 3 percent on drugs, less than the amount they spend on entertainment. Spending on drugs, as a percent of total health-care spending, was 10 percent in 1960. It's roughly the same today.

    The fact of business is, pharmaceutical spending actually lowers total health-care spending. It often replaces expensive and invasive surgical procedures and the time spent in the hospital. For example, in a yearlong disease-management program, Humana Hospitals studied 1,100 congestive heart failure patients. While pharmaceutical costs increased by 60 percent, the medications reduced hospital costs by 78 percent -- a net savings of $9 million.

    Among other myths exposed in "Miracle Cure" is the myth that our health-care problems derive from the fact that we have a free-market health-care system. Little can be further from the truth. The government has been the largest participant in our health-care system since the 1960s. Today, the government directly pays for 45 percent of health-care spending. Government intervenes in the form of tax subsidies and costly regulations on private insurers. Regulations imposed on medical practitioners are oppressive. According to a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers, for every four hours that a physician devotes to caring for a Medicare patient, hospital administrators spend 30 minutes on Medicare paperwork. For emergency room care, it's one hour spent on paperwork per one hour spent caring for a patient.

    Is Canada better? In her book, Sally Pipes reports the case of 58-year-old Canadian Don Cerniz, who noticed blood in his urine. It took three weeks to get his first test and another month for an MRI, and treatment for his cancer didn't begin until six months later. According to the Vancouver, British Columbia-based Fraser Institute's yearly survey of medical waiting times, Cerniz was lucky: "The median wait for an MRI across Canada was 12.6 weeks. Patients in Prince Edward Island experienced the shortest wait for an MRI (six weeks), while Newfoundland residents waited longest (33.5 weeks)." Overall, Canada's total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner to treatment averaged about 18 weeks in 2004.

    Americans shouldn't imitate Aesop's dog by looking to Canada's socialized medicine as a solution to our health-care problems and lose what we have. A much smarter move is to repeal previous government-created "solutions" that have marched us nearer to socialism in the provision of medical services. In a word or two, get government out of our hospitals and doctor's offices.
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • ODShowtime
    ROCKSTAR

    • Jun 2004
    • 5812

    #2
    Re: Greedy or ignorant

    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    According to a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers, for every four hours that a physician devotes to caring for a Medicare patient, hospital administrators spend 30 minutes on Medicare paperwork. For emergency room care, it's one hour spent on paperwork per one hour spent caring for a patient.
    what's the correct amount of time to spend filing paperwork? should we just treat everyone who walks in off the street without verifying their enrollment? should no one review medical histories to make sure duplicate and ineligible payments are not made?

    all these things LOWER healthcare costs. That said Medicare is a bitch.
    gnaw on it

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    • BigBadBrian
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jan 2004
      • 10625

      #3
      Re: Re: Greedy or ignorant

      Originally posted by ODShowtime
      what's the correct amount of time to spend filing paperwork? should we just treat everyone who walks in off the street without verifying their enrollment? should no one review medical histories to make sure duplicate and ineligible payments are not made?

      all these things LOWER healthcare costs. That said Medicare is a bitch.
      No, but I'll tell you what. I deal extensively with medical paperwork. If different systems nationwide would go to one Federally-mandated set of forms, butt-loads of savings would be reaped by all concerned. That includes both the patients, the hospitals, and the taxpayers.
      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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      • ODShowtime
        ROCKSTAR

        • Jun 2004
        • 5812

        #4
        Re: Re: Re: Greedy or ignorant

        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
        I deal extensively with medical paperwork.

        Strangely enough, I do as well, at work everyday

        If different systems nationwide would go to one Federally-mandated set of forms, butt-loads of savings would be reaped by all concerned. That includes both the patients, the hospitals, and the taxpayers.
        I agree with that although it's a rather obvious observation. The Federal HIPAA act has actually started a lot of what you just mentioned. It's meant to protect patient data and to standardize data transmissions it's a pain in my fucking ass.

        Actually, this goes against what I would think are your big government suspicions. Don't you think one federally mandated system would just get too big and unwieldy, yield to special interest demands, and finally become even less efficient?
        gnaw on it

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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10625

          #5
          Re: Re: Re: Re: Greedy or ignorant

          Originally posted by ODShowtime
          I agree with that although it's a rather obvious observation. The Federal HIPAA act has actually started a lot of what you just mentioned. It's meant to protect patient data and to standardize data transmissions it's a pain in my fucking ass.

          Actually, this goes against what I would think are your big government suspicions. Don't you think one federally mandated system would just get too big and unwieldy, yield to special interest demands, and finally become even less efficient?
          Possibly, but I deal in the IT world. Let me tell you of a fucking waste of government, and taxpayer, money.

          I deal with a military hospital in Virginia that uses an IT system still in the developmental stage for patient record keeping. Literally millions of dollars have been spent tweaking this system getting it to work: all the forms, screens, etc.

          Occasionally, I have to go to DC as a patient for specialized care. I go to an Army Hospital (Walter Reed Army Medical Center). They have an IT system there that is kick ass. It does the same there that that they are trying to do in Virginia. It works and has been online for at least 5 years.

          Why in the hell can't they use the same system? Contracts. Somebody is getting rich and the taxpayers...us....are getting soaked. This isn't an R and D issue either because this crap goes on no matter who is in office. Been that way for years. Sickening.

          The same shit applies with civilian and Medicare forms. They are a headache, I know. I got a seperate expandable file just to keep track of all my paperwork.
          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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          • Big Train
            Full Member Status

            • Apr 2004
            • 4013

            #6
            Medicae can suck my balls..

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10625

              #7
              Originally posted by Big Train
              Medicae can suck my balls..
              Why?
              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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              • Big Train
                Full Member Status

                • Apr 2004
                • 4013

                #8
                Just wanted to see how it felt to use and OD cliche...

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                • DLR'sCock
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 2937

                  #9
                  A single payer Universal healthcare system is inevitable....it's only a matter of time at this point...

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                  • ODShowtime
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Jun 2004
                    • 5812

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Big Train
                    Medicae can suck my balls..
                    I agree, Medicare can suck my balls too. A bunch of bums over there.
                    gnaw on it

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                    • ELVIS
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 44120

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DLR'sCock
                      A single payer Universal healthcare system is inevitable....it's only a matter of time at this point...
                      No, it isn't...!?!

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                      • John Ashcroft
                        Veteran
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 2127

                        #12
                        And just who's going to be the "single payer"?

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                        • ODShowtime
                          ROCKSTAR

                          • Jun 2004
                          • 5812

                          #13
                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Greedy or ignorant

                          Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                          Possibly, but I deal in the IT world. Let me tell you of a fucking waste of government, and taxpayer, money.

                          I deal with a military hospital in Virginia that uses an IT system still in the developmental stage for patient record keeping. Literally millions of dollars have been spent tweaking this system getting it to work: all the forms, screens, etc.

                          Occasionally, I have to go to DC as a patient for specialized care. I go to an Army Hospital (Walter Reed Army Medical Center). They have an IT system there that is kick ass. It does the same there that that they are trying to do in Virginia. It works and has been online for at least 5 years.

                          Why in the hell can't they use the same system?
                          That's weird. Different military hospitals should use the same information systems. There's plenty of opportunity for the suck-up corporations to get their checks. This is just poor management.
                          gnaw on it

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49567

                            #14
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Greedy or ignorant

                            Originally posted by ODShowtime
                            That's weird. Different military hospitals should use the same information systems. There's plenty of opportunity for the suck-up corporations to get their checks. This is just poor management.
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