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  • academic punk
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    • Dec 2004
    • 4437

    wow...so the Dems DO play dirty!!!

    hat's the essential difference: when republicans practice dirty politics, it seems to have a pretty good success ratio.

    When Dems attempt it, they get busted...



    MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (AP) -- The sons of a first-term congresswoman and Milwaukee's former acting mayor were among five Democratic activists charged Monday with slashing the tires of vans rented by Republicans to drive voters and monitors to the polls on Election Day.

    Sowande Omokunde, son of Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Wis., and Michael Pratt, the son of former Milwaukee acting mayor Marvin Pratt, were among those charged with criminal damage to property, a felony that carries a maximum punishment of 3 1/2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

    The activists are accused of flattening the tires on 25 vehicles rented by the state Republican Party to get out the vote and deliver poll watchers November 2.

    Also charged were Lewis Caldwell and Lavelle Mohammad, both from Milwaukee, and Justin Howell of Racine.

    The GOP rented more than 100 vehicles that were parked in a lot adjacent to a Bush campaign office. The party planned to drive poll watchers to polling places by 7 a.m. and deliver any voters who didn't have a ride.

    Some Republican officials have criticized Milwaukee County District Attorney E. Michael McCann, a Democrat, for taking more than two months to bring charges.

    McCann said FBI agents were involved in interviewing witnesses in four states: Georgia, Virginia, Maryland and New York.

    "We asked the FBI knowing that this probably wouldn't be their first priority," he said.

    Rick Wiley, state GOP executive director, discovered the vandalism on the morning of Election Day.

    "It was unbelievable that people could stoop this low in a political campaign," he said. "I figured it had to be someone from the opposition. But I didn't think someone on the paid (John) Kerry campaign would do this."

    The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel quoted sources Sunday as saying the five were paid staffers.

    Wiley didn't say whether the vandalism prevented anyone from voting, but he said poll watchers were about two hours late.

    Moore did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #2
    Hahaha...

    Let's see the defense for this crap...

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    • academic punk
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      • Dec 2004
      • 4437

      #3
      Anyone who defends this is a hypocrite.

      Like I've said, I voted Kerry. I wanted a change of administration.

      But the same way I shouted "foul" when I felt w, his administation, and its supporters have done wrong, this is also the same.

      Wrong is wrong, and the ends don't necessarily justify the means.

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49646

        #4
        There is no defense for voter fraud. But we know the current Administration's lackies have gotten away with far more.

        Remember this crazy bitch?

        Last edited by Nickdfresh; 01-24-2005, 11:07 PM.

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        • academic punk
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          • Dec 2004
          • 4437

          #5
          and so by stooping to her level, that makes it appropriate...how?

          actually, this goes beyond what she did.

          She took a convenient interpretation of the law, which the Supreme Court upheld. So - TECHNICALLY - she did nothing illegal.

          These guys did something worse, as an act unto itself. This was done with intent, pre-planned and violent. also, what harris did was done 100% in the public eye - these guys tried to work covertly.

          they attempted to prevent people who DEPENDED on these vans from having their voice heard - how "democratic" is that? it was as selfish an act as robbing someone's home.

          and it's unbecoming behavior for anyone, but especially for the children of someone involved in government. Absolute idiots.

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          • Nickdfresh
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            • Oct 2004
            • 49646

            #6
            Originally posted by academic punk
            and so by stooping to her level, that makes it appropriate...how?

            actually, this goes beyond what she did.

            She took a convenient interpretation of the law, which the Supreme Court upheld. So - TECHNICALLY - she did nothing illegal.

            These guys did something worse, as an act unto itself. This was done with intent, pre-planned and violent. also, what harris did was done 100% in the public eye - these guys tried to work covertly.

            they attempted to prevent people who DEPENDED on these vans from having their voice heard - how "democratic" is that? it was as selfish an act as robbing someone's home.

            and it's unbecoming behavior for anyone, but especially for the children of someone involved in government. Absolute idiots.
            Wherever did I say it was justified or "appropriate?" Are we fishing for hypocritical Democratic responses? I condemn any attempt at voter fraud, including this one!

            But I also find it highly comical that you think Cruella De Harris did what she did in the public eye. Far from it. She's a corrupt whore on a grand scale whereas these shitheads were localized hooligans.

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            • academic punk
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              • Dec 2004
              • 4437

              #7
              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
              There is no defense for voter fraud. But we know the current Administration's lackies have gotten away with far more.

              Remember this crazy bitch?

              My bad, Nick. I misinterpretd something you wrote here.

              You're right - they did get away with "far more" (as oyu say in your first post, which is above) in the sense that the ramificaitons of the act are much mroe significant.

              However, the act itself - Harris did something that I as well find distasteful, border-line corrupt, but she did nothing illegal. NOTHING.

              She interpreted the law in a manner that perhaps you or i wouldn't. but here's the thing: the suprme court upheld her ruling. so, again, she did nothing illegal.

              so as an act unto itself, slashing van tires is "far more".

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              • ODShowtime
                ROCKSTAR

                • Jun 2004
                • 5812

                #8
                The difference is, slashing vans in a GOP parking lot was clearly schemed up on a local level. Looks like some idiot local democratic official took it upon himself to get a gang of thugs together to suppress voter turnout. Retarded and highly unlikely, but whatever.

                Now gw&friends, they had karl rove analyze the last couple elections and predict which states it would come down to based on the silly wedge policies gw would enact. Then they made sure they had the right people in the right places to completely bias the election. CLEARLY BIASED.

                Central shady policy to bias election results, or local renegade retard - which is worse?
                gnaw on it

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                • ODShowtime
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                  • Jun 2004
                  • 5812

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  She's a corrupt whore on a grand scale whereas these shitheads were localized hooligans.
                  damn it, nick already made my point more gracefully.
                  gnaw on it

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                  • Big Train
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                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4013

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ODShowtime
                    Retarded and highly unlikely, but whatever.

                    Man, that covers almost EVERY single thought the Dems have had in the last decade....

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59947

                      #11
                      Stupid stunt, to be sure, but no more so then all that crap the Parlocks pulled - and then blamed on the Democrats - or Chris Dunce stealing his own laptop in Bellevue.

                      Anybody who excuses ANY of them is a hypocrite. Even though electro-fraud elections are, by their very nature a crime, that does not excuse crimes in trying to prevent them.
                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49646

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Big Train
                        Man, that covers almost EVERY single thought the Dems have had in the last decade....
                        Yeah, right Big T. Unlike those stellar Republican ideas:

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                        • BigBadBrian
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 10625

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          Yeah, right Big T. Unlike those stellar Republican ideas:
                          Leave it to Micky to trash those Republican ideas.
                          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                          • academic punk
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                            • Dec 2004
                            • 4437

                            #14
                            I don't see how these comparisons have any basis here.

                            Oh, we did this, but THEY DID THAT.

                            No, no, no. Just own the fuck-up folks. Period. Ever hang in a court of law? Even for a moving violation? they just want to know how your pleading. They don';t want to hear "guilty with an explanation".

                            Guilty is guilty.

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                            • ODShowtime
                              ROCKSTAR

                              • Jun 2004
                              • 5812

                              #15
                              Originally posted by academic punk
                              I don't see how these comparisons have any basis here.

                              Oh, we did this, but THEY DID THAT.

                              No, no, no. Just own the fuck-up folks. Period. Ever hang in a court of law? Even for a moving violation? they just want to know how your pleading. They don';t want to hear "guilty with an explanation".

                              Guilty is guilty.
                              That'd be all well and good if anyone in here was really a democrat and really needed to take accountability for this stupid crime. Of course it's wrong.

                              But the title of your thread says "the Dems DO play dirty" it wasn't "the dems," it was A dem. Or a small group of dems. You can't tell me that the DLC or whatever told these guys to slash tires on GOP vans.

                              BUT, it is quite clear that the election rigging for republicans went all the way to the highest offices in the country and in key states. That's why it's not "illegal" but is highly immoral. It's pretty cut and dry I would think. Unless you guys actually believe dems would have a policy of vandalism...
                              gnaw on it

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