Hillary Blames Bush for Abortions

[Cathedral]

But i'm sure a whole generation of tax payers and Social Security supporters wouldn't be extinguished in a mere 30 years if it were made illegal.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Do people actually think that with that entire generation gone it hasn't effected our current economy?

I'm sure it wouldn't stop all abortions, but if it were a crime there certainly wouldn't be an abortion clinic on damn near every corner of damn near every town.
Nobody wants a murder charge hanging over their heads.

A better idea would be for parents to shoulder the responsibility for their under aged kids not knowing the consequences of sex. there is a reason for sex, and it isn't to be the town whore/gigilo at social gatherings.
Sure it feels great, but it's even better if your an adult and understand the concept of intercourse and are genuinely in love with each other.

Sex for the sake of having sex is empty if you ask me.

[ELVIS]

BTW Cat, as you probably know, Intercourse is the means of which a man and a woman become one in Christ Jesus...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Cathedral
But i'm sure a whole generation of tax payers and Social Security supporters wouldn't be extinguished in a mere 30 years if it were made illegal.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Do people actually think that with that entire generation gone it hasn't effected our current economy?

I'm sure it wouldn't stop all abortions, but if it were a crime there certainly wouldn't be an abortion clinic on damn near every corner of damn near every town.
Nobody wants a murder charge hanging over their heads.

A better idea would be for parents to shoulder the responsibility for their under aged kids not knowing the consequences of sex. there is a reason for sex, and it isn't to be the town whore/gigilo at social gatherings.
Sure it feels great, but it's even better if your an adult and understand the concept of intercourse and are genuinely in love with each other.

Sex for the sake of having sex is empty if you ask me.

Why do you assume that all of those fetus' would have become tax-paying citizens? Many abortions are performed on the poor that can't afford kids.

[ELVIS]

Eventually, they would have been taxpayers...

[Cathedral]

With all due respect, Nick. Then they shouldn't be having sex at all without protection at the very least.

I dunno, I'm just from the old school of taking resposibility for our own actions.
Abortion cannot be justified because of poverty.
I couldn't afford either of my kids when they were born, but they never went without anything and at the time i was making shit money.

I've seen people with even less become great parents and raise responsible kids that went on to be very productive and successful people.
All arguments to justify killing a baby fall short of my ears because it is a case of simple lust that creates these issues.
So i would like to see the true responsible party's take the responsibility and raise these kids they are creating.
hell, even adoption is a better option, at least it gives them all a chance at life.
And before someone makes the argument against what i just said, Not all kids in that system grow up to be losers.

Fuck, Our whole damned society needs an overhaul because it is just disgusting how so many young people think these days.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Cathedral
With all due respect, Nick. Then they shouldn't be having sex at all without protection at the very least.

I dunno, I'm just from the old school of taking resposibility for our own actions.
Abortion cannot be justified because of poverty.
I couldn't afford either of my kids when they were born, but they never went without anything and at the time i was making shit money.

I've seen people with even less become great parents and raise responsible kids that went on to be very productive and successful people.
All arguments to justify killing a baby fall short of my ears because it is a case of simple lust that creates these issues.
So i would like to see the true responsible party's take the responsibility and raise these kids they are creating.
hell, even adoption is a better option, at least it gives them all a chance at life.
And before someone makes the argument against what i just said, Not all kids in that system grow up to be losers.

Fuck, Our whole damned society needs an overhaul because it is just disgusting how so many young people think these days.

I agree that people need to be ethical and responsible for their actions. But if you want to minimize abortions, you need to refocus your efforts from banning it to attacking the poverty which is the root cause of most abortions.

Education is also imperative. You cannot condemn abortion without giving the kids the straight scoop when talking about sex and birth-control instead of just talking about abstinence.

Because, genetically, you are hard wired to have sex and reproduce, like it or not. People are subconsciously, preconsciously driven to sex, not for mere pleasure as they consciously think, but to reproduce, which is as I've been told the ultimate sexual gratification.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Eventually, they would have been taxpayers...

No most would be criminals.

Abortion cuts crime because anyone that wants one is not a fit parent.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by FORD
Hillary's not much better than the BCE, but in this case, the facts are on her side.

Abortions were declining during the 8 years of President Clinton's administration, and have increased under the BCE. Main reason?

IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!!!!

You are insane. Period.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Cathedral
With all due respect, Nick. Then they shouldn't be having sex at all without protection at the very least.

I dunno, I'm just from the old school of taking resposibility for our own actions.
Abortion cannot be justified because of poverty.

Making abortions illegal will cause MORE poverty. Parents having kids when they're not ready severely decreases their earning potential for the rest of their lives.

So the person who is really being punished is the child having to grow up in a poor environment. Why punish them?

Lots of people in this world are un-educated and irresponsible and make stupid decisions, especially when the old ballsack has a say in things. This is one of the many facts of life that must be taken into account in this country. IT IS A FACT OF LIFE.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
Making abortions illegal will cause MORE poverty. Parents having kids when they're not ready severely decreases their earning potential for the rest of their lives.

So the person who is really being punished is the child having to grow up in a poor environment. Why punish them?

Lots of people in this world are un-educated and irresponsible and make stupid decisions, especially when the old ballsack has a say in things. This is one of the many facts of life that must be taken into account in this country. IT IS A FACT OF LIFE.

I can't believe we're culling human life based on economics. It's unreal.

We preach that education is the key and then go ahead and murder our young just because people don't have enough pesos to effectively raise their kids after a night of penis-thrashing. Either that or people don't want to bother with the whole idea of raising kids so they go to the clinic and "take care of the problem."

GODDAMN, are people too fucking stupid to get basic fucking birth control education? Don't hand me any political-based rhetoric either. This information is available literally everywhere these days: parents, school, church, community centers, etc.

Maybe Sesh is right. Maybe abortion should be legal to rid the world of lousy parents. Anyone that wants an abortion is not a fit parent to begin with.

I won't go into every situation here. There are certain situations that I can support abortion. If you've been on this forum long enough, you know what they are.

[John Ashcroft]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Abstinence is an admirable and valid choice, but if you present it to teens as their only choice without informing them of birth-control, you are asking for unplanned pregnancies and abortions.

Either of which I don't see as a government responsibility.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian


I won't go into every situation here. There are certain situations that I can support abortion. If you've been on this forum long enough, you know what they are.

One is if both parents are Sammy Hagar fans.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
One is if both parents are Sammy Hagar fans.

That is always a given.

[academic punk]

Tell y'all what: if you don't believe in abortions, don't have one.

But as for making it illegal, what does anyone else's decision have to do with YOU?

as for these abortions would have grown up to be tax payers:

True, many.

But - and let's set aside the world's increasing over-population - there are only so many jobs to go around. The unemployment rate would be STAGGERING, as with famine, prison occupancy, income levels, etc.

I'm not trying to ban the church from its' existence, so why are you trying to ban my beliefs and creeds?

Tolerance, indeed.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Either of which I don't see as a government responsibility.

I think it might be indirectly related to public school education. Since many of the districts that have the highest pregnancy rates also are the ones that are the most underfunded, I think the Federal Gov't can do more with initiatives by informing kids about the truth of birth control.