Rush Limbaugh: Illegal immigration threatens Sovereignty, GOP Coalition, & Wages

[Vivian Campbell]

Ford and Nick, what are your thoughts on his POLITICAL analysis of the illegal immigrint situation?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Hmmm...

Do you think he chose to be addicted ??

No, but he chose to be a self-righteous, pompous hypocrite.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
He chose to remain an addict at the very least. At one point in time, his drugs were legally prescribed by a doctor. At the point that prescription expired, Limbaugh should have notified his doctor if he was either 1) still in pain or 2) thought he was addicted to the drugs. Being a wealthy man, he could have easily afforded whatever solution the doctor recommended.

Instead he chose to buy his drugs illegally from criminals in the street like the common junkies that he bitched about on his show.

When Jerry Garcia died, that fucking windbag called him "just another drug addict". Well at least Jerry died of a heart attack, in a rehab facility, after cleaning his body of poison. Limbaugh was in all probability high when he made that pathetic comment. As well as the time that he said the rich white drug users should be locked up in prison right next to the poor black drug users. Funny how I don't remember him spending one night behind bars.

Well, as a former addict who voluntered myself to 38 days of rehab and still failed to stay clean, I can honestly testify that it is tough to change...

But, I finally did it, as I believe Rush also has...

Sure, he made mistakes, as all of us has...

Yes FORD, we're all aware that you are free of any wrong doing, sin, or mistake...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Vivian Campbell
Ford and Nick, what are your thoughts on his POLITICAL analysis of the illegal immigrint situation?

I'll get back to you.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Vivian Campbell
Ford and Nick, what are your thoughts on his POLITICAL analysis of the illegal immigrint situation?

I'd say Mush is a little late. A lot of his fan base has been pissed off about this issue for a long time. The BCE's response of opening the southern border even wider under the supposed threat of a terrorist attack can't possibly be seen as a good move by anyone with half a brain (on oxycontin or otherwise)

And it ain't just the Republicans who are noticing. Tell me where is the logic in sending 80% of our military to a country that was NEVER a threat to us, while leaving our own borders unsecured. And make no mistake, the southern border is far more dangerous because of the corruption in the Mexican government and those further south. Canada might have a few security holes, but at least they would be willing to work with us. Not Bush Jr maybe, but America overall.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by FORD
.....but then my Mexican housekeeper, whom I paid $3.00 an hour, ratted me out to the cops for my illegal oxycontin abuse. We simply can't have that in this country, folks........

LOL! Say what you will about FORD, this is a dandy insight.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Vivian Campbell
Ford and Nick, what are your thoughts on his POLITICAL analysis of the illegal immigrint situation?

They won't answer...

They just cloud the issue...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
I'd say Mush is a little late. A lot of his fan base has been pissed off about this issue for a long time.

Funny for you to say such a thing, considering that you claim to NEVER listen to Rush...

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I'll get back to you.

Originally posted by ELVIS
Well, as a former addict who voluntered myself to 38 days of rehab and still failed to stay clean, I can honestly testify that it is tough to change...

But, I finally did it, as I believe Rush also has...

Sure, he made mistakes, as all of us has...

Yes FORD, we're all aware that you are free of any wrong doing, sin, or mistake...

The difference, Elvis, is that Rush was in a position of responsibility and authority. He took the opportunity he had (and the attending audience) to stake out a hard-line on the issue of drug abuse.

Were his words at the time just window-dressing, purely for the ratings, while his actions rested in complete contradiction? If that's the case, he's not worthy of his audience.

Was he subconsciously revealing a level of self-loathing for his condition by saying I hate all drug-users, while all along being a RAGING addict? (How much oxycontin was he taking a day? It was huge. Have you ever been as high as Rush? NO YOU HAVEN'T. You have neither the money nor the constitution for it.) If this is what was happening, then he's not worthy of his microphone at all.

and plus, come on, in his position, to give himself vulnerability to his MAID???

Because he had FIRST-HAND knowledge of the tragedies and the sufferings of drug addicts, he could have used his forum (of incredible influence) in a more constructive, less simple-minded manner, and HELPED bring LIGHT to the issue rather than getting his audience to reflexivley say, "Yeah! Ditto! Screw them!"

Then again, I have seen plenty of people who are INCREDIBLY talented at mapping out PERFECT plans for other people, but are profoundly incapable of accomplishing these things themselves or in their own lives...

In terms of the original forum for the thread, this brings up Lou Dobbs once again. The anchor for CNN (and, relevantly, author of Exporting America) has been called all sorts of things by the far right for reporting (god forbid...a reporter...reporting!) on the issue of illegal immigration and american businesses taking their factories and jobs to foreign countries. Dobbs is a life-long republican who was long considered a bad match for CNN since he wasn't a "liberal", and then for simply reporting on a COMMON SENSE issue he lost his luster with his own party.

Then again, I watch and read as much Dobbs as I can, because he does continue to pursue these things. A great reporter is a newsman first, second, and third, and a republican and/or democrat a distant fourth.

[FORD]

Originally posted by ELVIS

Yes FORD, we're all aware that you are free of any wrong doing, sin, or mistake...

When did I ever say that?

I just can't stomach the hypocrisy of the man - or most of his fan base for that matter - whose entire outlook on drug addiction and how to deal with drug addicts suddenly changed when Mush's little secret went public.

I'm not an addict myself, but I've certainly known my share of addicts. Potheads, alcoholics, tweakers, even a few junkies. The reason I'm not an addict is not because I'm superior to other life forms, but because I've seen how addicition works, so I don't allow myself to get into those patterns.

I'm sure you will agree, Elvis, that addicts are often trying to self-medicate for a pain that is not physical, in nature, but mental and/or spiritual. And while such self medication might alleviate the symptoms, it doesn't cure the problem. So the self-medication continues and then becomes addiction.

It's no surprise that one of the first things they tell you in any 12 step group is about a "higher power" and the Serenity Prayer. They don't specify that you contact JC, or Buddha, or Vishnu or Spongebob Queerpants, just that you realize that you need a spiritual healing apart from ceasing the chemical abuse itself.

Oddly enough, the only recovered addicts I know that have been successful in the long term are the ones who di d embrace a spiritual path. Some in Christianity, others in Native American spirituality

And it would appear, Elvis, that you chose that way out yourself. Good for you, as long as you remember the teachings of JC are the real fundamentals of Christianity.

Now Mush Limpdick, on the other hand, is just as vile and hateful as he ever was, so it doesn't seem like he's had any life changing experiences at all, though obviously I'm not able to say whether he's "using" or not.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by FORD


Oddly enough, the only recovered addicts I know that have been successful in the long term are the ones who di d embrace a spiritual path. Some in Christianity, others in Native American spirituality

Not true from my circle. I've known PLENTY who fell off the wagon while pursuing the path of higher power. and others, who still congregated in support groups (or, come to think of it, with simply seeing a shrink), but whose focus was "I, me, the things I love and my best intentions are my higher power. I can't see how somone else is going to fix me. I'm going to have to do it myself, each and every day."

oh, blahblahblah...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
And it would appear, Elvis, that you chose that way out yourself. Good for you, as long as you remember the teachings of JC are the real fundamentals of Christianity.

Absolutely, and in no way am I ashamed to say so...

But...

Mr. Limbaugh laid everything on the line, on air, and I believe him to be sincere...

I hope and believe his addictions are behind him...

[academic punk]

But that's the question, El. Does (or should) Limbaugh have any credibility, after saying what he has in the past, whilst his actions were the comlplete opposite?

He's displayed from past actions that he can talk the talk while completely failing to walk the walk. Should he still have a public forum while betraying his public's and audience's trust?

(and moreso, would you be so forgiving of him if he were someone who caused you tremendous financial loss by his actions?)

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by academic punk
But that's the question, El. Does (or should) Limbaugh have any credibility, after saying what he has in the past, whilst his actions were the comlplete opposite?

Yes...

The past is the past, and I feel he has adressed his past...

I do agree that he should address his past words regarding drug addicts...

Hopefully, in the future, he will...

[academic punk]

Think of it from this angle:

he made HUGE, wide-screen, sweeping generalisation statements on an issue that he FIRST-HAND was at the very time he was making these statements was realizing wasn't so simple.

You yourself say you've been through rehab. Pretend for a moment that Rush had - before he was busted - actually presented the issue as complex, difficult, layered. Potenitally, the audience would have a) become more sophisticated in their thinking, and b) come to a conclusion of "these are people who need HELP, not PUNISHMENT. I'm not going to support IMPRISONMENT and CRIMINAL RECORDS for people who in actual fact already have enough problems. It would be better for them and SOCIETY AS A WHOLE if we made it as easy as possible for these people to get back in the workforce, and become productive, useful, esteemed members of society.

Your own situation could be potentially INCREDIBLY different Elvis if Rush was more honest and his audience more informed