1st Marine Div Commander Not a Girlie Man

[Nickdfresh]

Re: Re: 1st Marine Div Commander Not a Girlie Man

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
We need more brave men like this on our fighting team.

I doubt not his courage nor his candor, but I think being in a position od responsibility, he needs to choose his words better or he comes off as a macho, foolhardy Patton wannabe' clone.


P.S. Macho posturing never won a war!

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
We need more brave men like this on our fighting team.

I believe they're there...

[Viking]

Mattis for Prez '08!!!!!

[ELVIS]

Hey!

Now, there's an idea...:D:D

[YAWN]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
P.S. Macho posturing never won a war!

Combat leaders more concerned with PR than leading warriors can sure help you lose one, though.

This "macho posturing" is a natural side effect of a confident well-trained soldier who has been called to war and lived to fight another battle.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by YAWN
Combat leaders more concerned with PR than leading warriors can sure help you lose one, though.

This "macho posturing" is a natural side effect of a confident well-trained soldier who has been called to war and lived to fight another battle.

Not so.

My dad earned 4 Battle Stars in the Pacific and a Presidential Citation (Peleliu) and he never said it was "fun."

It's later than you think.

Oh by the way, my father was in the 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division, the same as this non-hero.

If my dad were alive he could have a long SHORT Marine talk with this new "kid" in the honored and honorable Corps.

This man is not an example of a good Marine. In fact, he's a fool Marine. (sic)

Have you ever heard of racial discrimination, discrimination of religion, and all the rights of Americans who were insulted, Arab Americans, American Muslims, and Arabs and Muslims around the world were insulted by a U.S. Marine officer in combat in their homeland making bigoted, racial, and anti-religious remarks about Islam, of their race and religion (women can't drive can also be calll "being pampered" while Western women have to drive themselves to the emergency room after a beating).

His public remarks aren't even honorable in private converstaion.

So he's crossed the line no matter where he spoke his un-American and inhuman "beliefs."

Are you human?

Any of you.

It's inhuman to speak of killing humans as "fun."

And the whole world heard one of our combat officers from Iraq speak inhuman words, destitute of being human on the battle field.

Will the U.S. gain or lose allies with a military like that, inhuman?

The rest of the world learned a lot of things about that, especially Europe in places like Dachau and too many more, inhuman... activities. And America had no bombs dropped on it.

And many Americans learned a lot from Vietnam.

Put the two educations together and I'll be meeting you the street during the third world war.

Remember on that day you were told, "it's fun."

It's later than you think.

[ELVIS]

I agree, phil...

[YAWN]

It's later than I thought because you posted half an hour after I did. Whatever.

Spare me the idealistic ethics lecture. Your father is an honorable Marine, and I salute him, but to think that sentiments such as those expressed by Mattis weren't present in your father's Corps borders on delusional. Majority? Of course not... but present nonetheless. Perhaps his remarks are bred of ignorance of the true treatment of women in prevalent Taliban culture, which is apparently bright and sunny, I guess, but I fail to see the significance of the driving comparison. No doubt Mattis would also find it fun to shoot the man who beat the woman who had to drive herself to the hospital as well.

Of course I'm human. And yes, we all are. So is Mattis. You know this, yet you pose the question anyhow. Your definition of "human" in this case differs from the general definition of the word, does it not? And you've used it repeatedly in your argument. So, too, does Mattis refer to "fun" as a euphemism for the satisfaction felt at what he undoubtedly feels is exacting justice upon those who have done a wrong. Call it rationalization for being sent there to do it, if you will. Yes, it is "inhumane" to refer to killing another human as fun. But so is war. Period. Your father understood this, but just as he and countless others knew better than to discuss it in public, so too were there countless others - who performed just as well on the battlefield - held different views of what they were doing and were not as disciplined off of it.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by YAWN
It's later than I thought because you posted half an hour after I did. Whatever.

Is this the fir1st time I've seen you try t2o make a solid point? Good werk, keep it up, I'm giving you a 5 voter for Excellent rite now.

You've earned it.

Like my dad.

It is important and I'm satisfied you're sincere.


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[YAWN]

I'm being serious, man! K, except for that part.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Not so.

My dad earned 4 Battle Stars in the Pacific and a Presidential Citation (Peleliu) and he never said it was "fun."

It's later than you think.

Oh by the way, my father was in the 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division, the same as this non-hero.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian

:D

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by YAWN
Combat leaders more concerned with PR than leading warriors can sure help you lose one, though.

This "macho posturing" is a natural side effect of a confident well-trained soldier who has been called to war and lived to fight another battle.

Your point is well taken. But confident, well-trained soldiers need not resort to macho posturing. I think there are betters ways to fire up the troops without trivializing war.

[YAWN]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Your point is well taken. But confident, well-trained soldiers need not resort to macho posturing. I think there are betters ways to fire up the troops without trivializing war.

Truly. And as Phil's papa shows, it can be done. But soldiers all deal with things differently; it's the nature of the beast, I suppose. The point, really, is that the public should not be surprised that men trained to kill end up feeling this way. The fact that it was expressed so blatantly shows a tremendous lack of judgment, to be sure, but unsurprising nonetheless.