Bush Gone Wild

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
Bush will not start another war in the next 4 years as there is no popular support for another engagement.

There wasn't much popular support for the last one either, but that didn't stop them.

Remember, PNAC had this agenda in 1998. Junior's pResidency is just the vehicle they are using to implement it, and they couldn't care less how much they are hated for doing so.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
Oh no, we are flying over and goading them? Like we aren't with 12 other countries at the moment. You think it doesn't happen to us? Chinese planes "bumping us", sub hunts going on worldwide. Taking any of that as a precursor to war is a bit dim.

The facts still remain that we are committed and stressed financially and militarily here. Bush will not start another war in the next 4 years as there is no popular support for another engagement. The boogeyman can say all they want, but it simply is not feasbile nor would it be allowed to happen

BigT, you make a lot of sense. But I fear that whereas you and I are rational, the Neocon likes of Donald Scumsfled and Wolfieshitz are driven by the sheer tint of their Rose Colored Glasses. They may not be rational! I saw Rummy on a Sunday morning talk program. He was asked about Seymour Hersh's series of articles on the subject and he roundly dismissed them ("who are his sources...blah blah").

But then asked the question I would paraphrase as "could Iran's gov't fall with a single bombing raid?" He replied basically saying the yes, because the Romanian dictator (Ceaucesteau?) was overthrown unexpectedly, why can't the Iranian gov't just fall like a house of cards?

It took a brilliant journalist to point out to him that Romania was never attacked by an external enemy with 150,000 of their foriegn troops on the border. Rumsfeld believes whatever he WANTS TOO. Because these Noecons are noted for surrounding themselves with yes-men and ignoring or suppressing dissent. So who knows?

Listen to Seymour Hersh's interview on of all shows, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart:

http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/videos_celeb.jhtml

[Big Train]

I'm saying even giving you all points for what you said (assuming they are all crazy necons etcc on their sunset cruise), it would never get support from those within their own party who still have to worry about being re-elected.

The risk/reward ratio just is not there.

I don't get my news from Jon Stewart...nobody should.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
On the one hand, Bush is on his way out of public life, so if he is the scumbag you all proclaim him to be, cashing out should be his number one priority. Now, with all his closeness to oil and defense, he has done plenty for those industries. If I am to follow the logic presented in other threads, he is now using SS as a way to feed his "wall st. cronies".

If nothing else, the political risk to his domestic agenda is to high risking another military engagement. It would give the Dems a strong foothold to regroup and rail. How is that worth it to him when defense and oil are already greased? That's right, it isn't.

The Dems are down and out at the moment, so Republicans are focused on pushing all their domestic agenda items through NOW, uncontested. Foreign Affairs are already to entangled. The potential upside to attacking Iran is not large enough.

What did I just say? Logic doesn't mean shit to these people. The craziest notion I have is that they're trying to start armageddon. The second most crazy notion is that they want to completely remake the Middle East.

Neither is logical or based in reality, so using logic to predict their actions doesn't work.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
I'm saying even giving you all points for what you said (assuming they are all crazy necons etcc on their sunset cruise), it would never get support from those within their own party who still have to worry about being re-elected.

The risk/reward ratio just is not there.

I don't get my news from Jon Stewart...nobody should.

Why not, you get your comedy from FOX News
Neither do I actually.

It was Seymour Hersh talking on his show, reflecting on the articles he has written I was referencing. Although, sometimes I think The Daily Show transmits more truth than any of the networks.

[Big Train]

And What did I just say? Assuming they are as illogical as you say, it STILL wouldn't work because there would be NO popular support from the Dems, the population and those in his own party who need to be re-elected.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
And What did I just say? Assuming they are as illogical as you say, it STILL wouldn't work because there would be NO popular support from the Dems, the population and those in his own party who need to be re-elected.

I may not be fully informed here, but what could Dems possibly do to stop them?

Also, that's IF we don't get attacked before then.

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by FORD
There wasn't much popular support for the last one either, but that didn't stop them.

The reason people voted for him was that he started a war and put unnecessary fear into people that the U.S. needed it.

Many people who've said they don't like war or even approved of it to begin with still voted for Junior because:

1. He makes our country "look strong" with a 2nd term, or

2. Junior brainwashed the general public into thinking the war is necessary this 2nd term when it was never necessary to begin with.

A low down tactic to win the election I say- the cost of human life.

[Big Train]

Yes Steve, those are the EXACT reasons I voted for him..

[Sgt Schultz]

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by Big Train
Yes Steve, those are the EXACT reasons I voted for him..

Then may I ask, how does Junior make the country look strong with just a 2nd term?

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Big Train
I don't get my news from Jon Stewart...nobody should.

Amen to that!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Amen to that!

Where should we get our news Elvis?

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Steve Savicki
Then may I ask, how does Junior make the country look strong with just a 2nd term?

My sarcasm is not coming off as strong as I would like it to.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Where should we get our news Elvis?

As many sources as possible...