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**FORD** · 02-13-2005, 11:45 AM

What's truly frightening is that in 1992 at the GOP convention, Pat Buchanan was the guy who made the scary extremist speeches that scared people away from the Republican ticket and drove them to Clinton & Perot.

Thirteen years later and Pat sounds like a moderate, and makes far more sense than those who hijacked his party. What's wrong with that?

Pat Buchanan's positions haven't changed on anything. It's just that the neocons have out-extremed him to the point where even Pat is freaked out by the bastards.

My only problem with Buchanan is that he clings to the bullshit idea that Junior had good intentions when he took office and that the neocon shitbags tricked him after 9-11. Anybody who has read the PNAC agenda knows that simply isn't the case. This agenda was written in stone by 1998, and Cheney, Perle, Wolfie, Feith, and Jeb Bush all have their names on it. Not to mention that Ariel Sharon gave Junior a personally guided tour of Israel in 1998 - and no doubt used that time to fill Junior's empty head with a heavy dose of Likud propaganda.

Sorry Pat. Junior's been in on it since the beginning, and you shouldn't have endorsed or voted for the bastard.

**LoungeMachine** · 02-13-2005, 11:49 AM

I said it in another thread weeks ago....

Every day I find PB to be the Voice of Reason, which tells me just how far right this country has been dragged.

I always considered him an Isolationist nut job. Now I find myself watching MTP and yelling Go Pat GO

**Nickdfresh** · 02-13-2005, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by FORD
What's truly frightening is that in 1992 at the GOP convention, Pat Buchanan was the guy who made the scary extremist speeches that scared people away from the Republican ticket and drove them to Clinton & Perot.

Thirteen years later and Pat sounds like a moderate, and makes far more sense than those who hijacked his party. What's wrong with that?

Pat Buchanan's positions haven't changed on anything. It's just that the neocons have out-extremed him to the point where even Pat is freaked out by the bastards.

My only problem with Buchanan is that he clings to the bullshit idea that Junior had good intentions when he took office and that the neocon shitbags tricked him after 9-11. Anybody who has read the PNAC agenda knows that simply isn't the case. This agenda was written in stone by 1998, and Cheney, Perle, Wolfie, Feith, and Jeb Bush all have their names on it. Not to mention that Ariel Sharon gave Junior a personally guided tour of Israel in 1998 - and no doubt used that time to fill Junior's empty head with a heavy dose of Likud propaganda.

Sorry Pat. Junior's been in on it since the beginning, and you shouldn't have endorsed or voted for the bastard.

I remember in the 80's when Pat was considered to be cryptically-anti-Semitic, and as Lounge said, an extremist isolationist.

But he makes a great deal of sense, although I wish Republicans would get off of the Dubya Kool-Aid and realize what a shill this guy is. I am glad to see that at least someone is capable of calling out the Israeli lobby and knows that Israeli security must reside in their agreement with the Palestinians, and not our "pacifying" the Middle East for them.

**BigBadBrian** · 02-13-2005, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I said it in another thread weeks ago....

Every day I find PB to be the Voice of Reason, which tells me just how far right this country has been dragged.

I always considered him an Isolationist nut job. Now I find myself watching MTP and yelling Go Pat GO

Yeah. Uh huh.

**LoungeMachine** · 02-13-2005, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Yeah. Uh huh.

You seriously have nothing left......

Poor Brie....

**Big Train** · 02-13-2005, 02:41 PM

Interesting...I'm sitting here watching the Sunday News programs and Isreal is doing EXACTLY what your advocating to help the peace process. They are returning jailed militants and dead bodies of attackers as I write this.

"Sensible" Pat (who let's face it, is B-a-r-e-l-y hanging on to being a conservative) responsible for all this Mid East sunshine?

**LoungeMachine** · 02-13-2005, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Big Train

"Sensible" Pat (who let's face it, is B-a-r-e-l-y hanging on to being a conservative)

Interesting.

I've asked this before, but Brie and Co. have no answer...

Just what is a "conservative" these days BT ?

**academic punk** · 02-13-2005, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by FORD

My only problem with Buchanan is that he clings to the bullshit idea that Junior had good intentions when he took office and that the neocon shitbags tricked him after 9-11. .

That's your only problem with him? Really? From you?

My chief problem is that he didn't do more to stand up in 2000 and say, "Hey, all these little Jewish ladies down here in Florida, collecting social security? I don't think they really voted for me. As adorable as I am, I don't think so. If we're going to maintain democracy, we should fix this."

then again, that butterfly ballot mishap, the police blockades in certain distrcist down there, Katherine Harris, maybe it is all proof that God appoints our presidents. 'Cause it sure wasn't the democratic process that did it in 2000.

**Big Train** · 02-13-2005, 03:22 PM

Simple. Don't be a liberal...Pat is a reactionary, who is a bit disgruntled after being basically ostracized for years. He is generally out there, too extreme for someone all the time. I would counter Ford's claim that he is the sane one and all Repubs are extremists. I would say Pat has become so extreme that he is almost a liberal.

**academic punk** · 02-13-2005, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Big Train
Simple. Don't be a liberal...Pat is a reactionary, who is a bit disgruntled after being basically ostracized for years. He is generally out there, too extreme for someone all the time. I would counter Ford's claim that he is the sane one and all Repubs are extremists. I would say Pat has become so extreme that he is almost a liberal.

I'm too hungover and dehydrated to follow this logic.

Let me see...

PB=R
P-W=D
P-S=R
P-S+E=L

nope. I'm lost. somehow get matt damon.

**academic punk** · 02-13-2005, 03:29 PM

Okay...wait...Pat is such an extreme neo-con that he's almost a liberal?

That's like saying Kristie Alley is so fat she's almost skinny.

Back up.

I'm having a hard enough day accepting that christina aguillera has gotten engaged.

**Nickdfresh** · 02-13-2005, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Big Train
Simple. Don't be a liberal...Pat is a reactionary, who is a bit disgruntled after being basically ostracized for years. He is generally out there, too extreme for someone all the time. I would counter Ford's claim that he is the sane one and all Repubs are extremists. I would say Pat has become so extreme that he is almost a liberal.

Pat has consistently held the same political positions for years. Because he opposed Bush's interventionist (on behalf of Israel) philosophy doesn't make him a Liberal. It's the Neo Con's that have become the neo-Liberal, Wilsonian globalists. Buchanan is a traditional populist conservative that rejects the Neo Con cancer. I don't agree with him on much, but I sure as hell agree that our current foreign policy is dangerous and self-destructive. You really trust an Israeli theorist to want what's best for America?

**FORD** · 02-13-2005, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by academic punk
That's your only problem with him? Really? From you?

My chief problem is that he didn't do more to stand up in 2000 and say, "Hey, all these little Jewish ladies down here in Florida, collecting social security? I don't think they really voted for me. As adorable as I am, I don't think so. If we're going to maintain democracy, we should fix this."

then again, that butterfly ballot mishap, the police blockades in certain distrcist down there, Katherine Harris, maybe it is all proof that God appoints our presidents. 'Cause it sure wasn't the democratic process that did it in 2000.

Actually he did just that. Pat's never been far from the media in the last decade & a half or so, first working for CNN (in between presidential campaigns) and then for MSRNC. And he said, during the 2000 election theft, that he was flatterred to recieve such a high percentage of the vote in Palm Beach, but he knew they intended to vote for Gore, not him. But Theresa LeWhore's deliberately misleading "butterfly ballot" was such a small part of that coup. Most of the votes were stolen before election day by Cruella Harris' ethnic cleansing of the voter rolls.

**academic punk** · 02-13-2005, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by FORD
Actually he did just that. Pat's never been far from the media in the last decade & a half or so, first working for CNN (in between presidential campaigns) and then for MSRNC. And he said, during the 2000 election theft, that he was flatterred to recieve such a high percentage of the vote in Palm Beach, but he knew they intended to vote for Gore, not him. But Theresa LeWhore's deliberately misleading "butterfly ballot" was such a small part of that coup. Most of the votes were stolen before election day by Cruella Harris' ethnic cleansing of the voter rolls.

He initially DID cop to the obvious confusion.

Then in the following days he reversed his position adn asserted that those votes were rightfully his. Absolutely unforgiveable.

My theory? A carrot was dangled in front of him by the RNC to shut the fuck up and play along, he reached for it, and then they yanked that thing away, and he's been a bitter little boy since with a chip on his shoulder and wants to chip the administrations' armor any way he can.

On one side, it's nice that the administration provided such a wide target. On the other, no one seems to give a proper shit.

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